Give Your Ideas for the New Ableton SAMPLE SICING FEATURE ?

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:33 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
scientist wrote:agreed. people always say stupid shit on forums, but for some reason this slicer thing has got a lot of people with high post counts doing it. y'all are going to look real dumb when live's version of slicing comes out...oh, did you miss it? mr henke himself said they're working on it...

Seattle, I dont' know you? this is getting weird

first LongJohns now you?

what the hell

and to make things weirder....longjohns and i are cousins...actual blood relatives, for real!
if you were there, i gave the presentation on mixing and mastering in live at the user group a couple months back.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:40 pm

Ok ok - I decided those weren't for me

I went to this one and the guy just talked about Serato and how lame djing vinyl was - plus he kept talking about himself in the third person...

maybe I'll run into you at Platinum or something, I'm cool with the user group meetings though

anywayz, what did you talk about - mixing and mastering - I bet that was cool

Interesting, maybe Seattle is a big city and I just haven't figured that out yet

I've lived here, gone to school here, dj'd, promoted and kicked it here my whole life - I know people I don't even know know what I'm saying

hell Machinesworking has been to the crib so I'm always like

who are you when I see

Location: Seattle

peace

Adonis!

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:42 pm

maybe you two should go out on date.. you seemed have hit it off...

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:43 pm

stinky wrote:maybe you two should go out on date.. you seemed have hit it off...

What are you talking about?

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:44 pm

just fucking with you.. don't get your panties in a bunch...

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:45 pm

stinky wrote:just fucking with you.. don't get your panties in a bunch...

?

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:51 pm

datapopstar · Post by **datapopstar** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:55 pm

i think it is the wrong way to ask, what a software dont have.
the right way is to ask how i can do what i need.
a friend of mine often says: the only thing i need is a airguitar to do some amazing records.
i think i know what he mean.....
(sorry for the bad english)

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:19 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:auto slicing is for people who are too lazy to cut samples manually in my opinion.

Isn't this like saying track/fader grouping is for people that are too lazy to write automation and/or mix each track individually?

There are daw functions which make things quicker, and save you time that have nothing to do with laziness, just efficiency.

Another thing about slicers is that they usually make beats sound much better than Live's warping, because the groove is retained without weird granular artifacts (although this is often a cool effect - but you don't always want it).

Take a drum and bass loop, and play it under 90 bpm. Hear the difference between Live's warping, and a slicer, especially if the rhythm is loose.

This whole conversation is ridiculous.
If you don't care to use slicers, cool, don't, but saying they're not useful is a crock.
Those same people saying live doesn't need a slicer are going to be singing it's praises when it finally releases it's new fancy-pants slicer 'n dicer, saying how cool and unique it is, when it'll probably be just like phatmatik pro or intakt, but with an fm oscillator, and no multi-outs or per slice editing (but the racks man, the racks!), and have super sweet integration in live as usual.

Don't get me wrong, I love live just as it is, and am happy to use a third-party slicer, but really, it's a surprising feature to be left out, especially since most other programs do it, and live is all about looping.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:10 pm

stale bread wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote:anyone notice that in live6 you can now right click on a sample in session view and click "crop" and it cropps off everything between the sample markers. so if you drop 5 of the same loop and then go through and select the parts you like and click "crop" then you will have your samples availble and you won't get the impulse bug and it doesn't normalize them, so all is good.

auto slicing is for people who are too lazy to cut samples manually in my opinion.

John 'is faster', have you used recycle, intakt, acids chopper, phatmatik pro, or Live Slice?.... a slicer doesn't make music for you John, it just slices audio. you've obviously cropped samples in Live and in audio editors like wavelab, soundforge or peak, well that's the same ethos as using a 'slicer'.
would you be dissappointed in Live if it's new sampler could slice audio, or if you could slice audio in the clipview properties box in addition to cropping audio?

I don't know why you guys are trying to stop Live from having a slicer...its funny though. I'd think your namesake meant that you would enjoy a sample slicer.

I've used recycle, intakt, and phatmatik pro. I own phatmatik pro. and you just named several of your options too.

live doesn't have a slicer... but jeez if they only supported vst's we could do something about that. it's too bad live can't use vst's huh? oh wait...
I'm actually not anti a live slice tool. but I don't see the point of ranting and raving about how they are totally missing the mark.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:12 pm

yeeeaaahh I won I won!!!
listen to buddha you fools, buddha wouldn' t Lie
I bet you don't like slice bread huh...
you don't like sliced turkey huh!...
I bet you don't like to drink slice right?....
you probably didn't even want your moma to slice your birthday cake huh?..
c'mon my man you don't want a nice slice-o-life?..
remember when that kid came at you wit a razor and you didn't have none
you wish you had a slicer then right....?
oh i get it now i see i see you don't like slicers huh you like shredders..
you want to shredd some cheese right.. that's cool but have you ever tried to shredd a biscuit m_therf_cka..? you caint shredd no biscuit you need a m_therf_ckin slicer for that,
if i ever see you at a show with a shredder trying to shredd a biscuit i'm a run up on stage and knock that sh_t right outta your hand

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:15 pm

if i ever see you at a show with a shredder trying to shredd a biscuit i'm a run up on stage and knock that sh_t right outta your hand

yeah, that'll happen.. don't hold your breath..

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:24 am

sincerely yours,

skilless hack.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:10 am

what's your guess about what abletons ableton-esk slicer feature will be like
i imagine
variable slicing algorythms
per slice editing of pitch, pan, amp,and every other param
individual outs perslice capability
randomization
maybe even perslice automation like the clip automation, can you imagine that it would be sick
maybe some inteligent slicing like guru does so it organizes kicks, snares, hats, and such for you, thats a godsend when you're going through a bunch of loops trying to make drum kits out of 'em
different effx on different slices
sample replace.......of course.
i don't really care to much about file compatibility since i do most of my own sampling but i can see how it would be very useful to load rex and acid files

oh a big one would be the ability to exract grooves from the samle
also the ability to drag n drop from the slicer to any other destination with-in live be it sampler. impulse or an empty clip or track, and of course vice versa back into the slicer for more mangling.
another cool thing would be the ability to slice audio horizontal and verticaly
i guess a sort of filter slicing ability so you could slice just the bottom, mid, or hi range of a sample.

i dunno, what do you think

deva · Post by **deva** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:45 am

In the meanwhile, what slicer do you recommend on the Mac?