should I ditch my NS10s for Behringer truths?

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:43 pm

I have the itch and have about enough cash for behringer truths, not really anything else - I may not have to sell the NS10s - I would probably rather keep them and have both, but if i did have to get rid of the NS10s, would it be worth it for behringer truth 2030A or 2031As

and then, what are the benefits of 2031s over 2030s?

or at an absolute stretch I might be able ot get KRK RockitRP-5s

what dyas reckon?

SubQ · Post by **SubQ** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:57 pm

I hear frequently the NS10, Truth 2031 and KRK 8s on my partners studios...
My list of preference:
KRKs
Truths
NS10 - altough is a standard reference hard to ignore.

But also Tannoys 12... such cristals gave me new sights.

So, if I were you, i'd pick nothing but quality. Sell all, spare a little more and get genelecs 8020. That's what I'll do in a few months.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:04 pm

Actually, I'd get the M-AUDIO BX8As... but since you ask:

the 30s have 70W Bass, 35W tweeters while the 31s have 150W Bass, 75W tweetz.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:20 pm

Don't buy Behringer or M-Audio monitors. Sorry Machinate... but once you've seen the lights of Paris it's hard to go back to the farm.

Seems like they should consider changing the General forum into the Genelec forum.

In the cheaper end of the monitor spectrum, the Tascam VL-X5 beats out the competitors every time they are demoed. $300 a pair. They sound so good for the price that it makes it harder to sell Genelecs. However, I've never owned a set so I don't have firsthand experience with how well they do over time. But, that said, I'd rather use them than KRKs or whatever else is in the $300 price range.

vertigo · Post by **vertigo** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:55 pm

Im willing to trade my TRUTH 2031a's for your ns-10s if you want

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:10 pm

personally, with the exception of the BCR / BCF controllers never ever buy or trade anything Behringer, where actually audio is travelling thru.

vertigo knows why!

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:14 pm

SubFunk wrote:personally, with the exception of the BCR / BCF controllers never ever buy or trade anything Behringer, where actually audio is travelling thru.

vertigo knows why!

Great point.

Forge, you know gear, why would you want to do this outside of the fact that you will be saving space and cutting down weight without needing an amp to power the NS10's?

The NS10's are industry standard benchmark testing monitors. The Truths while a value are simply entry level, project studio mass market monitors.

No brainer. Keep the NS10's. Or at least trade them for the new Yamaha powered monitors!

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:24 pm

the like5 wrote:

The NS10's are industry standard benchmark testing monitors.

that's sort of true, but don't forget that in order to get that kind of performance out of NS 10s they are powered in big studios by 2000-3000 dollar Bryston amps.

inis · Post by **inis** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:27 pm

I dont recall seeing a price limit on your new set. Why are we even talking about M-audio's and others that are a couple hundred bucks? I mean, are you planning on only using the money from the 10's to buy the new ones, or are you going to throw more money at it?

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:38 pm

SubFunk wrote:the like5 wrote:

The NS10's are industry standard benchmark testing monitors.
that's sort of true, but don't forget that in order to get that kind of performance out of NS 10s they are powered in big studios by 2000-3000 dollar Bryston amps.

exactly right. ns-10 came into fashion by default. There just wasn't much around when they came out and they caught a marketing wave. ns-10 are crap and are way out of fashion, at least in L.A. But i've cut a ton of tracks and mixes on them. If you can stand the sound and get your mix sweet on them, you're a pro.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:55 pm

vertigo wrote:Im willing to trade my TRUTH 2031a's for your ns-10s if you want

maybe there's the answer right there - if you want to do that then I should probably keep them!

Well, the NS10s are serving me allright, but like was mentioned before about $2-3000 dollar amps, all I have to run them is an old sherwood amp and the total lack of bottom end gets on my nerves - Like the saying goes, if you can hear bass on NS10s then there's too much!

I certainly always mess about with having the bass turned up or the "loudness" switch on to give perspective - usually I can get an alright mix out of them

maybe what i should do instead is get a sub

truth be known the cash I stumbled upon should service the car so I shouldnt do either! (there's the twisted mind of a musician for you!)

thanks for the replies!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:03 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:Seems like they should consider changing the General forum into the Genelec forum.

no way - IMO they're ridiculously overpriced.

As for the Tascams, I wouldn't think them to be in the same bass range as the BX8A - that one has buckets.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:05 am

I would wait till you could spend at least $600-700 bucks. When I had to buy new moniters the question was "over $1000 or under $1000" and for now it had to be under. So I went with KRK RP8's. The store had them in stock, they dont need a sub and they sound pretty good. Since I have switched from my Event Tria moniters my mixes have translated MUCH better onto other systems. So in this way I like the KRK's very much. When it comes time to upgrade I might just go for the V series since these are gaining my trust.

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:33 am

I have a pair of B2030As and I like them a lot. In fact I prefer them to the B2031As because the B2031As will give you too much bass in a small room.

I tried the VL-X5 and I have to say I was not very impressed, though I think I'd have to give them another go.

If I were you, I'd keep the NS-10 and get the B2030s to have different references. The NS-10 are almost all midrange with no bass and no treble, and while the Truths aren't big brand Genelecs or Tannoys or whatever 5x as expensive, they are very good monitors for the money.

Jan Holm · Post by **Jan Holm** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:13 am

The NS10 cant be alone. Yes you see them on the big
studio boards - but keep in mind that the entire wall
behind them is the main monitor !!

I go nuts listening to the NS10 all day. It's a nice to have
reference when you done on the mains / real monitor.

I know it's another ballgame, but at graphic designer
doesnt use a 1979 monochrome screen as reference.
If it looks good in green it'll look good everywhere