Yamaha HS80M or GENELEC 8020A?

krank · Post by **krank** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:26 pm

What sub would go well with the Genelecs?

I wish they didn't look so silly.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:02 pm

From an older thread:

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:The bass response from the 8020 is pretty amazing without the sub. Yes, you're much better off with the sub, but honestly I would rather use the 8020s without a sub than use any other system of lesser value. The bass response from the 8000 series Genelecs always amazes the customers. When I demo them I'll start off without the sub. The first question they always ask is if they can hear them with the sub turned off. Then I tell them the sub is already off. Then their eyes go . Then they ask if they can hear them with the sub turned on. Then I turn on the sub. Then they ask me if I turned on the sub correctly because they can't hear it. Then I tell them that you arn't supposed to hear it > unless there is a mistake in the mix > a low frequency that was inaudible on the main monitors, but that we are listening to a professional mixed CD and the lows are clean. Then they don't believe me so I have to show them the light is on on the sub. Then they put their hands on it and feel it vibrate slightly and they say "oooh..."

Get the feeling I've done this my fair share of times? You kind of feel like a waiter when you're demoing monitors...

Anyways, yes, the sub would be amazing to have to hear the mistakes in the sub frequencies. But, do not think of the Genelec sub as the booty bass machine... you will be sadly dissapointed if you plop down the cash for one and > set it up properly in your room (tune the room properly). The system is an amazing tool for tracking + mixing, and if one day you want to step up to a surround sound system you'd have among the best systems in the world for this job.

That said, again, I would rather use the 8020s without a sub than use cheap monitors. As far as using a cheaper sub with the 8020?? Well, it would be okay to use on occasion... you know, like turn it on every once in a while when you want to check the low freqs or when you want to indulge in some booty-b, but I wouldn't get too used to how that would sound. A Genelec rep would never recoemmend that, but as long as you didn't listen to the mix critically while it was on you'd be okay.

Phew!

I haven't heard enough of the cheaper subs to make a suggestion. But, taking a quick glance at what was available, it just seems much smarter to hide away $20 a week until you can go get a Genelec 7050B for $999.

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:51 pm

krank asked:

What sub would go well with the Genelecs?

I wish they didn't look so silly.

the genelec subs.

Sales Dude Mc Boob wrote:

SubFunk wrote:
genelec. bar none.
I'm torn. I also love the Dynaudio BM6 and the A.D.A.M. P-11A.

i hear you, i think as well that dynaudios, adam and also PMC are very excellent monitors, i have worked often with them and genelecs. (in studios)

but if it comes to investing my own personal money, for me Genelecs, absolut bar none. especially since the 8000 series is out.

just my 2cents

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:10 pm

I'm biased towards mixing on Yamaha monitors. I love them!

I haven't messed around with Genelecs but this post is kinda like comparing a Mercedes Benz against a Volkswagen. Both do the job fine but one is going to cost you more.

My advice, save the money and buy Yamaha. You will should remember that unless you already have them, you will need to shell out another $75 or more on nice monster cables to connect monitors into a mixer or soundcard.

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:18 pm

you will need to shell out another $75 or more on nice monster cables to connect monitors into a mixer or soundcard.

arrghhh... NO! and NO! and again NO!

the only thing about monster cables is there monster price!

if you want real quality and no ripp off, buy Neutrik Connex and solder them with Klotz Cable. Klotz is a A1+ superb mega quality / sounding Cable from germany, much cheaper then Monster and much better. and i know it's avialable in the states, too.

thousends of stages and studios in europe are cabled with Klotz Cable.

i have a 15year+ old Klotz stage used mic cable from the shepherds bush empire in london, it still is serving his duty in my studio. that's real german quality.

Torkjell · Post by **Torkjell** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:50 am

KRK V8

DIgiDennis · Post by **DIgiDennis** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:20 am

i like my genelec 1029A, they have been working without a flaw from the day i got em ( 7 years ago i think ).

i dunno if that info is going to help you though.

Silence · Post by **Silence** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:51 pm

...ohhh myyyyy goood....

i heard the 8020s today, i compared them to mackies, krk, phonic, tapco....everything and anything....and all i have to say is...OOOOOHH CRAP!!!
i compared to stuff that costs half the price and stuff that costs 3 times as much and the 8020s won each time.....the 80X0 series is the shit....
8020s rock, 8030s rock 8040 rocks superass!!

ok....what i mean is....i really liked the 8020´s and will get a pair as soon as the cash roollllllsss innnnnnnn

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:14 pm

Genelecs = less ear fatigue.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:15 pm

krank wrote:What sub would go well with the Genelecs?

I wish they didn't look so silly.

i use a KRK RP10s with my 8030a's
works and sounds great.

i output from my monitor controller to the 8030a's, go THRU the 8030a's into the KRK RP10s, and turn the low pass on the sub to about 58hz, which is where the 8030a's bottom out. So for 8020a's, roll the highs off the sub at about 66hz.

SubQ · Post by **SubQ** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:13 pm

hey Adam, do you mix with the sub turned on or you just use it to check out the low end? And how do you compare both states?

best

Silence · Post by **Silence** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:42 am

Ok.....quick q! what would benefit me more....a 8020 or a 8030....my room is aprox 4m X 6 m......would the 8030 be overkill?
its about 250$ pricedifference....

zebastian21 · Post by **zebastian21** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:51 am

Silence wrote:Ok.....quick q! what would benefit me more....a 8020 or a 8030....my room is aprox 4m X 6 m......would the 8030 be overkill?
its about 250$ pricedifference....

the 8030 for sure

Silence · Post by **Silence** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:31 pm

what would the main benefit be? or is it just the size?

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:19 pm

SubQ wrote:hey Adam, do you mix with the sub turned on or you just use it to check out the low end? And how do you compare both states?

best

i keep it on all the time.
it only fills in the lowest of frequencies.
i don't really need to turn it off for comparisons because the Genelecs go down to 58hz, and thats about all the bass i'll be able to hear anyway.
so the sub fills in whats under 58hz, and i can only feel that in my ass.