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Post by Machinesworking » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:52 am

ethios4 wrote:She is not elligble for Social Security/Disability/Medicare because she took off in 2002 to care for her father. She has no insurance because she was fired from her job when she lost partial hearing in 2005, and all her money since has gone to health care. So a person who has spent most of her life caring for others and paying taxes in the nursing profession is herself denied health care because of the year she took off.
She could still get medicare, unless she's got a pension she's collecting on..... if that's the case, then yeah... the system sucks.
You have to have nothing or they won;t help at all. :roll:

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Post by ethios4 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:57 am

Unfortunately, she can't get medicare because she is missing one year of work credits from 2002 when she was caring for her father. You have to have 5 years of work credits at her age, and she has 4 years. Nevermind that she worked for 30 years straight until she got too sick in the late 90's, then tried to go back to work until it finally completely broke her. I am meeting with an attorney soon to try to get her disability retroactively started in the late 90's when she was eligble. If she can just get medicare she can get a cochlear implant and be able to hear again!

The cochlear implant is cool....from what I understand it's kind of like having a vocoder attached to your brain....it has a tiny microphone that sends audio to a unit that performs something like an FFT analysis to create a map that is used to filter white noise...that signal is then sent directly to the auditory nerve to the brain, effectively bypassing the damaged cochlea. Crazy shit...there are examples here, although I think the technology has progressed a lot since these samples were created.

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Post by Machinesworking » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:33 am

ethios4 wrote:Unfortunately, she can't get medicare because she is missing one year of work credits from 2002 when she was caring for her father. You have to have 5 years of work credits at her age, and she has 4 years. Nevermind that she worked for 30 years straight until she got too sick in the late 90's, then tried to go back to work until it finally completely broke her. I am meeting with an attorney soon to try to get her disability retroactively started in the late 90's when she was eligble. If she can just get medicare she can get a cochlear implant and be able to hear again!
A long time ago in about 90-92 when George bush senior was in office I was on welfare for about a month, Unemployment ran out, no jobs.... but I didn't qualify for medicare, because I made $350 on unemployment..... :roll: It's all stupid, a guy next to me was telling me that I should have lied, they never check between departments, and that i would just be screwed, and he was right in a way, but I don't mess with the law anymore. Last thing I want in the world is to end up in jail for welfare fraud...

Old Dirty Bastard, first time I saw him in any way was on MTV in a welfare line collecting his check. the reporter asked why he was doing that when he made tons of money being in the Wu tang Clan, he turned to the camera and yelled in that grampa voice, "You owe me 40 acres and a mule!" that was pure fucking genius! :mrgreen:

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Post by eyeknow » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:53 am

Machinesworking wrote:
ethios4 wrote:Unfortunately, she can't get medicare because she is missing one year of work credits from 2002 when she was caring for her father. You have to have 5 years of work credits at her age, and she has 4 years. Nevermind that she worked for 30 years straight until she got too sick in the late 90's, then tried to go back to work until it finally completely broke her. I am meeting with an attorney soon to try to get her disability retroactively started in the late 90's when she was eligble. If she can just get medicare she can get a cochlear implant and be able to hear again!
A long time ago in about 90-92 when George bush senior was in office I was on welfare for about a month, Unemployment ran out, no jobs.... but I didn't qualify for medicare, because I made $350 on unemployment..... :roll: It's all stupid, a guy next to me was telling me that I should have lied, they never check between departments, and that i would just be screwed, and he was right in a way, but I don't mess with the law anymore. Last thing I want in the world is to end up in jail for welfare fraud...

Old Dirty Bastard, first time I saw him in any way was on MTV in a welfare line collecting his check. the reporter asked why he was doing that when he made tons of money being in the Wu tang Clan, he turned to the camera and yelled in that grampa voice, "You owe me 40 acres and a mule!" that was pure fucking genius! :mrgreen:
good job, that's gonna get it. Hey, let's celebrate! :roll:

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Re: OT Bush calls Lebanon A new front for global war on terror

Post by elektrovert » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:27 am

glu wrote:WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush declared Lebanon a front in the "global war on terrorism" Monday, equating the Israeli battle against Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas to the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.


Bush laid the blame for the conflict -- in which more than 1,000 people died -- on Hezbollah, Iran and Syria.






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I used to think Bush was an idiot.
Now though, I'm thinking he's extremely clever.
he just keeps talking bollox and everyone just goes along with it.
no-one gives a shit, the UN are spineless, they're only purpose is to project the illusion that there's global force out there "policing" these war zones, when in fact all they are is a clean up crew.
I've given up on politics. Politics is dead.
I hope Iran has the balls to stand up to this western imperialism.
I hope they have nuclear weapons, we need another cold war to generate some stability in the world.
The lack of western intervention in Lebanon is disgraceful.
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Post by eyeknow » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:54 am

Hey, ya know what they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.......

doesn't mean they are right

america (and let's face it.......it's not bush.......it's always the us.......) we suck..........we are hated all over the world obviously........

fuck, why not just fucking nuke us? Just do it........then everyone can cheer and say "yeaaaaaa, down with amercia and celebrate"

If you can't the the bigger picture............then you have nothing to say.

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Post by Gyu » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:56 am

eyeknow wrote:Hey, ya know what they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.......

doesn't mean they are right

america (and let's face it.......it's not bush.......it's always the us.......) we suck..........we are hated all over the world obviously........

fuck, why not just fucking nuke us? Just do it........then everyone can cheer and say "yeaaaaaa, down with amercia and celebrate"

If you can't the the bigger picture............then you have nothing to say.
Mate, I don't think anyone on here actually hates America. Why would you hate a great big landmass?
I don't think anyone is proffessing to hate all American people either.
It's just the present administration that is the cause of so much concern.

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Post by eyeknow » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:10 am

I like the way you speak,

I some "other" people used the same "tone" I wouldn't get so irrate.

Now, if you read 99 percent of my posts, you'll know that I don't usually get quite so upset.

but, tonight was a breaking point for me.

And, unfortunatly, there are plenty who DO come across as american haters.......

It's cool, I'm over it now..........my bad, needed to vent......so much negative energy commin' "my" way........can't hold it all!

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Post by deva » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:25 am

rtopia wrote:
deva wrote:One of the reasons that the word socialism is so vilified in this country, is because it is a viable means of self defense against capital, thus capital has done its best to turn people away from the ideas.
...so you're saying it's villification has nothing to do with the fact that I get 1/3 of my income confiscated in the name of "the collective good" and not seing it do any good for the collective?

(cause it sure as fuck isn't doing anything for me)

Capital didn't turn me away from socialist ideas.
Socialism "not working" is what turned me away.
Too much centralized power is dangerous to liberty, call it socialist or capitalist, doesn't matter because in the end they become the same thing. Tyranny. People in Bolivia being unable to collect some rain water because it is owned by a foreign corporation, that is Tyranny. As totalitarian as anything the old Soviet Union cooked up.

Soviet style state socialism is not what is happening in Venezuela. People are having more liberty, more freedom than before Chavez. There are no gulags for dissidents. The government is serving a useful function to protect people from predation by multi-national corporations and to help educate people to become self sufficient.

The 'capitalist' candidate who is running against Chavez is proposing that the government give poor people debit cards. This proposal is coming from the wealthy elite because they want to keep people dependent because when people are living on handouts, they are easily controlled and you can maintain your position of power.

With the Chavez government now, the proposals are empowering. For example, if people in the community want to create a community center with internet, computers for education, learning publishing skills etc. The Chavez government is saying, get some people together. Get some local architects to draw plans, get some carpenters ready to build it, etc. Once your community groups shows the initiative to get that far, you can get some funding for it. This is not a handout, this is helping people to help themselves, to believe in themselves after decades of hopelessness. And it is working. This is why 1 million people surrounded the Presidential Palace during the 2002 coup attempt to demand Chavez back.

When you have 1% of the population controlling vast amounts of the countries resources, you have a situation where those people have a vested interest in keeping the population repressed. When you have an educated populace, active, empowered, working creatively for the benefit of themselves and their community, then it will not be possible for that 1% to maintain control of everything. There would be natural diversification. If there is freedom for all, then there will naturally be a fairly equitable situation. It takes enforced repression to maintain the extreme difference you see in the U.S. That is why the U.S. has the most people in prison (total and per capita) of any nation in the world.

Of course that wealthy elite in Venezuela oppose what Chavez is doing. The poor people are becoming educated, gaining job skills, creating radio stations, making media, communicating. It is a great tyranny when 4-5 corporations (with incestuous relationships and common board members) own 90% of the media in an entire country. That is how it has been in Venezuela, and that is how it is in the United States. Chavez has the power to change that with a stroke of the pen but he said that is not the right way to change things, from above. That to do so would not be democratic. Instead there is something happening from below. There are 470 or so new radio stations in Venezuela. They are not state run. People realized that during the coup attempt (backed by the CIA) in 2002, that the media did not report the truth, and in fact lied and said Chavez had stepped down, refused to show Chavez supporters or legitimate government officials.

So people have been taking matters into their own hands and creating their own media. That is libertarianism in action!

Try starting a radio station or TV station here in the U.S. Basically, you cannot, even though the airwaves actually belong to the public, you cannot use them. Media and its content is highly controlled in the U.S. Wouldn't do to have people actually communicating with each other and figuring out ways to make things work better.

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Post by elektrovert » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:35 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolu ... cumentary)


watch it on google video!
that's some serious shit right there! 8)
very rare that you get such a clear picture from the inside of a coup!
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Post by deva » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:47 am

elektrovert wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolu ... cumentary)


watch it on google video!
that's some serious shit right there! 8)
very rare that you get such a clear picture from the inside of a coup!

It can also be viewed here...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e13119.htm

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Post by deva » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:47 am

rtopia wrote:
deva wrote: And of course, our sense of our own history is very short and distorted. People enjoy a 40 hour work week, overtime pay, vacation, health benefits because of socialists who helped organize unions.
not entirely true...
true enough that my point stands
rtopia wrote:
deva wrote: If big corporations had their way, we would all be sweat shop laborers working for a few dollars a day.
then it's a good thing we're not forced at gunpoint to work for someone isn't it?

no, just forced by economic necessity

quoted from an article by Paul Craig Roberts

The media reports the government statistic that 207,000 jobs were created in the U.S. in July

Of the new jobs, 26,000 (about 13%) are tax-supported government jobs. That leaves 181,000 private sector jobs. Of these private sector jobs, 177,000, or 98%, are in the domestic service sector.

Here is the breakdown of the major categories:

• 30,000 food servers and bar tenders;
• 28,000 health care and social assistance:
• 12,000 real estate;
• 6,000 credit intermediation;
• 8,000 transit and ground passenger transportation;
• 50,000 retail trade; and
• 8,000 wholesale trade.

Not a single one of these jobs produces a tradable good or service that can be exported or serve as an import substitute to help reduce the massive and growing US trade deficit. The US economy is employing people to sell things, to move people around, and to serve them fast food and alcoholic beverages. The items may have an American brand name, but they are mainly made off shore. For example, 70% of Wal-Mart’s goods are made in China.

Where are the jobs for the 65,000 engineers the US graduates each year? Where are the jobs for the physics, chemistry, and math majors? Who needs a university degree to wait tables and serve drinks, to build houses, to work as hospital orderlies, bus drivers, and sales clerks?

In the 21st century job growth in the US economy has consistently reflected that of a Third World country--low productivity domestic services jobs.


Over 5 years time 2001-2006

US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.

The declines in some manufacturing sectors have more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing during war than with a super-economy that is “the envy of the world.” Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce. The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees...

The knowledge jobs that were supposed to take the place of lost manufacturing jobs in the globalized “new economy” never appeared. The information sector lost 17% of its jobs, with the telecommunications work force declining by 25%.

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The multi-national corporation does not give a shit about you or this country. The drive for profit is its sole interest and that interest is destroying the economy of this country. The mom and pop business is more myth than reality at this point. And once there is nothing but crap corporate jobs with no job security, people will be working for whatever they are offered. The corporation may as well use a gun (and in many countries they do).

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Post by Gyu » Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:01 pm

@eyeknow, nice one man. :D
@deva, you post some facinating stuff, good work!
Sorry if you've already done this but could you post a link to a good site with more info about Venezuela?
:D

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Post by glu » Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:57 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCQSk2l8bc

The revolution will not be televised!!!!
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Post by elektrovert » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:16 pm

^^^^^^^^ WATCH IT! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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