rant: Guitar Center force feeding Reason!!

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:20 am

everytime I go into guitar center and say anything to a sales person about anything (could be a question, or a "hey whats up?") they end up trying to sell me Reason. they start out by saying "so what do you do?" and I say "I make electronic music" and then it's all downhill from there.

and I say "I've tried Reason it's not for me" and THEN comes the part worth ranting about. they intentionally make me feel STUPID!!! they are like "well if you didn't like it then you didn't know what you were doing" or "maybe you should have read the manual"

AGHHHHHH! and I say "I know what it does, I didn't like it, I'm not saying it's not a good program, I'm just saying I'd rather use something else"
and they say something to the effect of "it's the best program around man, you just don't get it do you?"

I like reason. I just think it's sooooo not worthy of pushing on every customer that happens to make electronic music. if someone is interested in it then great, tell them about it. but it IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL DO EVERYTHING IN ONE PACKAGE PROGRAM. and making people feel inferior just cause you don't want to use the tools they sudjest is just plain mean.

you should see what they do when I ask them questions about it like "can I use vst's in it?" or "can I record my vocals into it?" knowing that the answer to both of those is "no"
they end up either saying "I don't know" or "yes"

f*** guitar center.

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:36 am

You just shouldn't let anyone make you feel inferior, no matter what the situation. Have some confidence in yourself!

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:39 am

oh don't get me wrong they don't rock my confidence, they just piss me off by attempting to. basically I think they act like asshole salesmen.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:42 am

Johnisfaster wrote:oh don't get me wrong they don't rock my confidence, they just piss me off by attempting to. basically I think they act like asshole salesmen.

Live 6 is almost reason. Reverse the sales-pitch

And close of with the argument. "I mean really, it doesn't even record audio"

The only thing i'm really "jealous" about in reason, is the fast hotswapping of presets while previewing them.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:47 am

If they try to sell you Reason, I'd go to another shoppe. They obviously don't know anythinge about musique.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:49 am

live 6 is light years beyond reason.

I mean honostly I feel fruityloops is even beyond reason when it comes to my needs.
reason just has a cooler name and more pro look.

I mean vst's are pretty important... slicing up audio tracks, I even think the automation is more evolved in fruityloops. and I don't even use fruityloops anymore I use Live only.

I don't want to make this a fruity/reason debate though. they both have their good points.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:10 am

reason is a toy!

<ducks>

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:37 am

but it is a toy. it does some fantastic things, very useful for creating basic analog music. useful for simple loop based songs. but honostly how many albums can you name that were created using reason only? none.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:39 am

forge wrote:reason is a toy!

<ducks>

It's not a toy dammit! When you spin the rack around, the wires bounce about and look just like the real thing, makes me feel all cozy inside.

What's a guitar centre doing pushing an app that doesn't let you record your guitar into it? Shop full of wierdos, that's what that is.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:44 am

Johnisfaster wrote: but honostly how many albums can you name that were created using reason only? none.

Actually, Luke Vibert doesn't use anything else. It's perfectly possible to make an album using just an acoustic guitar and a tape recorder too, it's just down to choice and ingenuity at the end of the day.

http://www.propellerheads.se/remote.cfm ... lukevibert

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:50 am

meh Vibert Schmibert!

What's your approach to post processing and mastering?
- I export the Reason songs to AIFF, then I often take them into Peak and mess around with the track

not just reason!

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:51 am

Martyn wrote:
What's a guitar centre doing pushing an app that doesn't let you record your guitar into it? Shop full of wierdos, that's what that is.

too right!

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:55 am

forge wrote:meh Vibert Schmibert!
What's your approach to post processing and mastering?
- I export the Reason songs to AIFF, then I often take them into Peak and mess around with the track
not just reason!

Yeah, but that's post processing, that doesn't count. So there!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Reason user (heresy

) just pointing out an inconsistency. Actually, I seem to remember Robert Henke saying that he knew people who got great results out of Reason, and so do I.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:58 am

Martyn wrote:
Johnisfaster wrote: but honostly how many albums can you name that were created using reason only? none.
Actually, Luke Vibert doesn't use anything else. It's perfectly possible to make an album using just an acoustic guitar and a tape recorder too, it's just down to choice and ingenuity at the end of the day.

http://www.propellerheads.se/remote.cfm ... lukevibert

totally feel you on that. I think reason is rad, I don't mean to bash it so much. I also know you can make music with spoons and rocks, books and sticks. but reason is NOT the bee's knees that it's made out to be. it doesn't do everything. guitar center would have you believe it's all you'll ever need because they know that in 6 months to a year you're going to realise you need to upgrade if you want to use a vst or record something. they know that reason looks awesome and sells itself because of that. and they love it cause they KNOW you'll need to upgrade eventually.

thats why they push it. it's a required upgrade if you want to use some fancy plugin. and you know that almost everyone eventually wants to use a fancy plugin.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:02 am

Those salesmen probably just have a big commission on sales of Reason or something.