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interested in a Lemur?

Post by robtronik » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:43 pm

wow. 60 days trial period? Plus $300 off?
Pricing and Availability
The Lemur is now available in the US from Cycling '74, and the limited-time sale price is $2195 through September 30, 2006. Click here to go to our online store.
You can try out the Lemur risk-free for 60 days. If within 60 days of purchase you don't feel the Lemur is right for you, you can send it back for a refund and we will pay for the return shipping.
2nd Day Air shipping is highly recommended, and a $10 handling charge for insurance will be added to all orders.
Dayum. Mighty tempting.... but I'm all tapped out. I'm going to have to get a paper route now and maybe a job as a waiter now too in order to get all this groovy stuff.

I think once this thing drops to around $1500 street price, I'll probably pick one up. by then the OS will be more mature with even more features I bet.

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Post by hambone1 » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:48 pm

Near the top of my "Next Toy to Buy" list... along with another PA subwoofer... and a new motorcycle...

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Post by ryansupak » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:53 pm

I actually did this awhile back -- the item turned out to be "not for me" -- but it was indeed very nice.

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Post by robtronik » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:53 pm

ryansupak wrote:I actually did this awhile back -- the item turned out to be "not for me" -- but it was indeed very nice.

rs
did you use it with os 1.5?

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Post by hoffman2k » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:55 pm

I think i'll go with synaptics clearpad when it's available.

The lemur is like the mouse. Cool invention, but you know there'll be loads to choose from at one point.
How old is it now? 2 years?
It's a matter of months till we'll see a product similar to lemur.

We've been seeing that multitouch screen movie all summer.
Those people are pretty much done with their research.
It's just a matter of making a marketable product.

Not to mention Apple's patents that suggest a tablet is in the works and the fact that the technology required for this has recently been announced...

For 2200$. I want it to run OSX :P

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Post by AltDel » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:13 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
We've been seeing that multitouch screen movie all summer.
Those people are pretty much done with their research.
It's just a matter of making a marketable product.

I guess you're talking about Jeff Han's FTIR multitouch technology. I had the chance to try it out by myself in Paris during the NIME conference in june. Although It's really impressive, I sincerely doubt that it will become a 'marketable product' anytime soon. The fact is that the sensing system requires an expensive infrared camera to track the fingers as well as a powerful cpu to process the camera's video signal and to extract the finger locations, not to mention the projector for the visual feedback. I'm not a technology expert, but it seems that there is no way to embed the whole multitouch system into a portable product such as the lemur. As for the price, even though the panel itself is quite unexpensive, I bet the whole system cost over 10k$. To end with, the most annoying thing with the FTIR is that it works fine only in a dark environment. I can even testify that during the demo, the system crashed because someone took a picture with a flash. To summarize, the FTIR technology is amazing when it comes to demoing the great power of multitouch interaction but it's still and
it'll remain to be a research prototype and unfortunately, I don't believe we, average consumers, will have a controller or any other product relying on this technology in the future.
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Post by minimal » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:32 pm

hoffman2k wrote:It's a matter of months till we'll see a product similar to lemur.

hopefully uli behringer is trying to reverse-ingeneering it... :twisted:

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Post by Angstrom » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:38 pm

AltDel wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
We've been seeing that multitouch screen movie all summer.
Those people are pretty much done with their research.
It's just a matter of making a marketable product.

I guess you're talking about Jeff Han's FTIR multitouch technology. I had the chance to try it out by myself in Paris during the NIME conference in june. Although It's really impressive, I sincerely doubt that it will become a 'marketable product' anytime soon. The fact is that the sensing system requires an expensive infrared camera to track the fingers as well as a powerful cpu to process the camera's video signal and to extract the finger locations, not to mention the projector for the visual feedback. I'm not a technology expert, but it seems that there is no way to embed the whole multitouch system into a portable product such as the lemur. As for the price, even though the panel itself is quite unexpensive, I bet the whole system cost over 10k$. To end with, the most annoying thing with the FTIR is that it works fine only in a dark environment. I can even testify that during the demo, the system crashed because someone took a picture with a flash. To summarize, the FTIR technology is amazing when it comes to demoing the great power of multitouch interaction but it's still and
it'll remain to be a research prototype and unfortunately, I don't believe we, average consumers, will have a controller or any other product relying on this technology in the future.
thanks for this,
I've been following the Jeff Han stuff for a while and it's those little details that give us the full picture.
Especially the bit about flash disruption.

Although I wouldn't say that an Infra-red camera and a fast processor is a particular block. That infra red camera he uses looks very similar to this one which costs all of £39.99 (infra red cameras quite popular in security apps)
Also I certainly have a small stack of fast processors just sitting idle (old DAW machines 2.6ghz p4, 2.0ghz p4, etc), so that would be no cost to me.
I can't imagine that the sheet of perspex costs much.

That said, the light sensitivity is the deal breaker, though it will be interesting to see how this is addressed. Also note that he isn't the only one working in this field - but the interest he has received will surely help finance other teams.

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:54 pm

Angstrom wrote:
AltDel wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
We've been seeing that multitouch screen movie all summer.
Those people are pretty much done with their research.
It's just a matter of making a marketable product.

I guess you're talking about Jeff Han's FTIR multitouch technology. I had the chance to try it out by myself in Paris during the NIME conference in june. Although It's really impressive, I sincerely doubt that it will become a 'marketable product' anytime soon. The fact is that the sensing system requires an expensive infrared camera to track the fingers as well as a powerful cpu to process the camera's video signal and to extract the finger locations, not to mention the projector for the visual feedback. I'm not a technology expert, but it seems that there is no way to embed the whole multitouch system into a portable product such as the lemur. As for the price, even though the panel itself is quite unexpensive, I bet the whole system cost over 10k$. To end with, the most annoying thing with the FTIR is that it works fine only in a dark environment. I can even testify that during the demo, the system crashed because someone took a picture with a flash. To summarize, the FTIR technology is amazing when it comes to demoing the great power of multitouch interaction but it's still and
it'll remain to be a research prototype and unfortunately, I don't believe we, average consumers, will have a controller or any other product relying on this technology in the future.
thanks for this,
I've been following the Jeff Han stuff for a while and it's those little details that give us the full picture.
Especially the bit about flash disruption.

Although I wouldn't say that an Infra-red camera and a fast processor is a particular block. That infra red camera he uses looks very similar to this one which costs all of £39.99 (infra red cameras quite popular in security apps)
Also I certainly have a small stack of fast processors just sitting idle (old DAW machines 2.6ghz p4, 2.0ghz p4, etc), so that would be no cost to me.
I can't imagine that the sheet of perspex costs much.

That said, the light sensitivity is the deal breaker, though it will be interesting to see how this is addressed. Also note that he isn't the only one working in this field - but the interest he has received will surely help finance other teams.
To me, the whole demo about multi-touch technology is about the software implementation. Not the actual touch technology.

I have my eyes on a far better touch technology as I mentioned before. "Synaptics Clearpad".
It looks like the perfect material for the Apple tablet that we may or may not see in the future. If you can have a screen that feels like a pad.....

And i don't expect it to be a 10k$ solution, because they plan to make keyboards and phones out of that stuff.
Synaptics is the same company that designed the clickwheel on the ipod btw.

I know i read way too much rumors. But it's not like rumors are science fiction stories you know :wink:
Some are... But this whole apple tablet thing has been looking more and more like a fact if you actually follow the related rumors.

My main point is... I want a touch sensitive lemur that can run osx 8) :lol:

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Post by b0unce » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:08 pm

minimal wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:It's a matter of months till we'll see a product similar to lemur.

hopefully uli behringer is trying to reverse-ingeneering it... :twisted:
:lol: :lol:
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Post by axou » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:32 pm

hoffman2k wrote:My main point is... I want a touch sensitive lemur that can run osx 8) :lol:
Turning OSX into a multitouch-aware OS would take quite some time in my opinion. Believe me, dealing with multiple cursors that only exist when fingers touch the screen, is WAY different than dealing with one single persistent mouse cursor.
I wouldn't be very excited to use Live on a single point touchscreen since it would only replace mouse with a finger. Making a whole software multitouch-aware : now that's a different story.

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:37 pm

axou wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:My main point is... I want a touch sensitive lemur that can run osx 8) :lol:
Turning OSX into a multitouch-aware OS would take quite some time in my opinion. Believe me, dealing with multiple cursors that only exist when fingers touch the screen, is WAY different than dealing with one single persistent mouse cursor.
I wouldn't be very excited to use Live on a single point touchscreen since it would only replace mouse with a finger. Making a whole software multitouch-aware : now that's a different story.
Yes. It is a different story :wink:
You can follow the story if you check osx and hardware patents submitted by apple in the last few years. It's a bit boring reading, but it comes with pictures :wink:.
Some examples are a keyboard interface like you can see in that multitouchscreen video, a mixer layout (for garageband/logic) and various other little implementations.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/ ... 5335.shtml
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/ ... 3416.shtml
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/ ... 1940.shtml
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/ ... 1850.shtml

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Post by AltDel » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:58 pm

I have my eyes on a far better touch technology as I mentioned before. "Synaptics Clearpad".
It looks like the perfect material for the Apple tablet that we may or may not see in the future. If you can have a screen that feels like a pad.....
I just had a look at synoptic website. It seems that their clearpad technology is still under development and, as far as i can understand, it won't be multitouch, like the ftir or the Lemur.
ClearPad is based on Synaptics' proprietary sensing technology, and will offer unique capabilities such as two finger input
In my opinion, there is a step between "two finger input" and a true multitouch technology enabling the use of all your ten fingers at once.
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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:52 pm

AltDel wrote:
I have my eyes on a far better touch technology as I mentioned before. "Synaptics Clearpad".
It looks like the perfect material for the Apple tablet that we may or may not see in the future. If you can have a screen that feels like a pad.....
I just had a look at synoptic website. It seems that their clearpad technology is still under development and, as far as i can understand, it won't be multitouch, like the ftir or the Lemur.
ClearPad is based on Synaptics' proprietary sensing technology, and will offer unique capabilities such as two finger input
In my opinion, there is a step between "two finger input" and a true multitouch technology enabling the use of all your ten fingers at once.
Again. Thats a software thing in my opinion. That could be the step in between.
There's probably other technology in the works that we haven't even heard from. (cue behringer press release :lol: )

Clearpad or something similar is what we need for a multitouch device that can take a bit of a beating and doesn't cost as mush as a car.
It could take months, maybe even years. But i know that if i buy a lemur now, then it would probably be announced after that "money-back" offer expired.
Or maybe the 300$ discount for the lemur is a setup. Lemur 2? :lol:

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