BT - This Binary Universe.

Phokus · Post by **Phokus** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:55 am

robtronik wrote:
kooki415 wrote:
Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.
sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?
BOOOO-RRRINNNG.

rob.

Trying to think of a reply for this started to hurt my head. So instead I say props to the people that really understood what I was talking about. This is a prime example of the same perception I was talkin about. Pickin apart the art because of its status. When in human history hasn't this happened? When will humans simply see beauty in all its forms, instead of comparing and complaining about wishing things were better, or more like they used to be. I guess its just a reflection of todays society. Constantly selling you the latest and greatest model of any given product. Whether its a 18th century buddhist monk singing songs of sorrow in his bedroom, a teenager making beats on his first computer, or a popular electronic producer, why can't we just listen and hear whats really important. Kudos to those who can really feel.

udp · Post by **udp** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:55 pm

kooki415 wrote:
Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.
sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?

Kookie,
1) Have you listened to the album? or are you just a troll?
2) I like Aphex and Squarepusher and BT. I find it interesting how BT has chosen to release an album that absolutely defies genre labels. This album is ground breaking in the forms that are used. I haven't sat through it enough to confirm this, but I'd be willig to bet there's use of classical forms here. If he bothered to use the golden ratio....
3) The sound design on this ablum is impeccable.

Nuperspective, it's too bad that Ableton haven't seen fit to give us an easy way to mix meters that way BT does on this album. I'm gonna keep after it, but I grow weary of making this feature request.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:23 pm

what do you mean Udp ? (it sounds interesting...)
can you tell us what the metering thing means, how it effects the sound etc...

just volume metering ?

udp · Post by **udp** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:13 pm

b0unce wrote:what do you mean Udp ? (it sounds interesting...)
can you tell us what the metering thing means, how it effects the sound etc...

just volume metering ?

No, not volume meter. I mean changing time signature thoughout a piece. Mixed meter looks like this: ex. 3 bars of 4/4, 1bar 5/8, 2bars 3/4, so on. The only way to do this in Ableton is to write in 1/8 and emphasize different 1/8 notes.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:17 pm

thanks

difference · Post by **difference** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:06 pm

I can't find this on iTunes (or Juno).

Is it only out in the States?

udp · Post by **udp** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:15 pm

difference wrote:I can't find this on iTunes (or Juno).

Is it only out in the States?

I bought it from the Itunes msic store. Search bt. The name of the album is THis Binary Universe.

difference · Post by **difference** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:02 am

I looked. A search for BT doesn't bring anything up with this album and This Binary Universe brings up no results.

You are in the States btw.....

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:25 am

Phokus wrote:
robtronik wrote:
kooki415 wrote: sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?
BOOOO-RRRINNNG.

rob.
Trying to think of a reply for this started to hurt my head. So instead I say props to the people that really understood what I was talking about. This is a prime example of the same perception I was talkin about. Pickin apart the art because of its status. When in human history hasn't this happened? When will humans simply see beauty in all its forms, instead of comparing and complaining about wishing things were better, or more like they used to be. I guess its just a reflection of todays society. Constantly selling you the latest and greatest model of any given product. Whether its a 18th century buddhist monk singing songs of sorrow in his bedroom, a teenager making beats on his first computer, or a popular electronic producer, why can't we just listen and hear whats really important. Kudos to those who can really feel.

my comment was directed at Kooki not you Phokus. And it was a way, albeit not very nice way, of agreeing with you over Kooki's observation.

rob.

udp · Post by **udp** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:45 am

difference wrote:I looked. A search for BT doesn't bring anything up with this album and This Binary Universe brings up no results.

You are in the States btw.....

Yes, in Michigan. I'll try looking again to see if I find a snafu. Ohhh, I'm sorry. didn't read that you're not in the states. Seems like it'd be elsewhwere.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:24 am

Good interview with BT here:

http://www.progressive-sounds.com/artis ... 8-2006.asp

I'm particularly excited about this part (which made me chuckle when I read it, too):

Progressive-Sounds: So you've got BreakTweaker coming out soon. Now is that the only plugin you've got going on or do you have others in development as well? With the kind of stuff you're doing, you're right, your limitation is the hardware and software, and you have to come up with your own at that point.

BT: No, exactly. There will be two first releases for my company Sonic Architecture. There's going to be two lines: A line of studio tools. BreakTweaker is the first and there'll be another one soon after. Those are for the sound design realm, designed primarily for the studio. Then there's going to be a whole line of tools and plugins that are designed primarily for live performance, first of which is going to be the stutter-edit. That thing is just fuckin' retarded, dude, it's ridiculous. It'll be coming out at the same time.

Cool. Can't wait.

rob.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:37 am

Yes, and then everyone will sound live BT.

One thing I don't like about BT is that he really does shamelessly self-promote.

He was one of the first people that got me into trance and electronica, but I haven't always loved his stuff since then.

He does go a little cheesy from time to time.

And he has a healthy ego. Not to mention his self-promotion.

He is good, nay, great, but humility is a virtue, or so it is said.

udp · Post by **udp** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:56 am

anti-banausic wrote:Yes, and then everyone will sound live BT.

One thing I don't like about BT is that he really does shamelessly self-promote.

He was one of the first people that got me into trance and electronica, but I haven't always loved his stuff since then.

He does go a little cheesy from time to time.

And he has a healthy ego. Not to mention his self-promotion.

He is good, nay, great, but humility is a virtue, or so it is said.

Is there really any composer/artist who really makes it big that doesn't have a huge ego? I think that is part of the reason that fame and fortune isn't for the masses, our egos aren't large enough.

kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:14 am

1) im no troll.
2) yes i have heard the album
3) sure. its pretty. but its not really groundbreaking. this is all i was against. people claiming that it was somehow new. which it isnt.

everyone can enjoy art/music/whatever without it having to be new. the purpose of a forum is to encourage discussion though, unless im mistaken...

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:57 am

I think that there is an interesting thing that has happened given technology, and especially the shrinking of the world via the internet, and mass media:

and that is:

that everyone seems to equate innovation with great art.

In reality, art should be great when it speaks to the inner psyche/intellect/self, without the need for the artist to tell you what they were thinking, or wanted during the creation of the art.

This has been lost in the present state of innovation==art. Which it can and can't. Art is art, whether innovative or not. Though throughout history, innovation has been given great credence toward good art. I for one think that art can live without innovation for specific artists, but on a global scale, you need artists that push the limits.....

Therefore, this whole conversation is moot.