yeah its just got such a smooth sound IMO... very 'warm' for a VSTi... i even considered buying a new PC just to run it... maybe it runs better on AMD processors I dunno..polyslax wrote:Yeah, still in my top 3 for sure... just spent this morning finishing off a new bank for it as well.ct43 wrote:Minimonsta is still my favoute sounding VSTi... BUT I cant get it to run on my 3ghz P4!well I can if im not making a song at the same time!!!
the best vst synth is
it does... i was going to say (before you posted) that i have an amd 64 3000+ and it runs fine..ct43 wrote:yeah its just got such a smooth sound IMO... very 'warm' for a VSTi... i even considered buying a new PC just to run it... maybe it runs better on AMD processors I dunno..polyslax wrote:Yeah, still in my top 3 for sure... just spent this morning finishing off a new bank for it as well.ct43 wrote:Minimonsta is still my favoute sounding VSTi... BUT I cant get it to run on my 3ghz P4!
i just figured no one would give a crap..
checked out the demo for zebra - wow.
i'd like a light-on-the-cpu vst synth for my ibook, for noodling on the bus
if you own operator, will you get the new operator algorhithms included in the live 6 update - or do you have to purchase an operator update ?....i see no mention of it, but I dont want to assume anything...
I'd be up for buying a 'used' license off someone if I'm not gonna get stung for another update fee...
back to the zebra tho....seems complicated, can any zebra users comment on it ?
i'd like a light-on-the-cpu vst synth for my ibook, for noodling on the bus
if you own operator, will you get the new operator algorhithms included in the live 6 update - or do you have to purchase an operator update ?....i see no mention of it, but I dont want to assume anything...
I'd be up for buying a 'used' license off someone if I'm not gonna get stung for another update fee...
back to the zebra tho....seems complicated, can any zebra users comment on it ?
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It can be complicated because it is modular and has so many possibilities.b0unce wrote:
back to the zebra tho....seems complicated, can any zebra users comment on it ?
On the otherhand, you can make rich complete sounds with 1 osc (see Zebralette) or 1 osc and 1 filter. Keep it simple, and it is simple.
Want it complex? You can send the output of an osc to a bus, add an eq, then a delay, then add a resonant filter sweep to just the delay output while have other osc' and FM module, each with their own resonant filter feed into a separate delay and then all of that goes into a compressor, then reverb and then through an eq, or not...
It takes a little time as with any deep synth to grasp the basic GUI concepts, but once you do it is easy. In fact, I think it is the easiest, yet most powerful synth I have used for sound design.
+1In fact, I think it is the easiest, yet most powerful synth I have used for sound design.
@b0unce
Zebra2 is as easy or complex as you'd like it to be. The modulation options are incredible. The synthesis "matrix" is really intuitive. Want FM you can add up to four (pretty sure about this, it isn't in front of me) operators. Multiple filter modes, again use up to 4 in the matrix (and two more in the global effects area) to craft your sound. The comb filters are so sweet, you can get some Physical Modeling type sounds out of it. The onboard effects are all first class. But if all you want is some VA, load up 2 osc, 2 filters, and tweak away. I could go on and on... sorry to sound like such a fanboy.
My current top ten
1. Zebra2
2. Reaktor
3. Tassman
4. Automat
5. Operator
6. Imposcar
7. Camel 5000
8. FM7
9. MMV2
10. MicroTonic
2. Reaktor
3. Tassman
4. Automat
5. Operator
6. Imposcar
7. Camel 5000
8. FM7
9. MMV2
10. MicroTonic
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I tried all of the soft synths mentioned (including all of the leading Reaktor ensembles, stock or user library) except Zebra 2, and I think that NI Electronics Intruments Photone is the mother of all synths. I think that If there was a multitimbral hardware version, it would have entered the all time best synths list.
Photone is quite a "classic" synth- it doesn't have complex envelopes, or some "wacky" pad or anything unique just to softsynths.
I find that a plus, as it focuses on a fast workflow of complex tones from the good old building blocks, but in a more flexible way. Once you get to know it, it's a well behaved dog. Most of the important stuff goes into the 128 midi controllable parameters of live.
The oscillators are diverse and also has a wavetable.
There are lots of filter types (carefully modulated Band Reject ooo yeahhh)
The sound of the effects and especially the reverb is superb.
almost EVERYTHING can be modulated (for example, 3 modulation sources for each of the filter parameters). Modulations sits next to the modulated parameter- much better then a matrix IMHO. Superb GUI, considering the quantity of parameters to tweak.
I found that the most important thing for me is response to velocity and MW, the more destinations able to accept these values, the better.
To my ears, the sound quality and sound diversity of this synth is only matched and surpassed by the Cameleon5000, which produces increadible depth and realism, but in a more CPU heavy package and a different workflow - It's an additive synth. The Photone can be CPU heavy (well what would you exppect, with all of this modulation and effects under your hand), but when used efficiently it runs about %10 cpu on my AMD3200 512kb Laptop machine.
So, my vote for a "workhorse" goes to Photone, and my vote for sheer sound quality goes to the Cameleon5000, but the difference is not large. Once I tried and tweaked a few pads/bass sounds with the Cameleon5000, I had a "this is it" thing going, after a long jurney. But when I want to do something from scratch, I prefer the simple blocks of photone, all infront of me on one screen.
Operator is able to respond great to velocity, but unfortunatly, the filters are far behind many synths. Using VST filters afterwards will not enable response to velocity or MW.
However, it's super CPU light, so it got its uses.
Photone is quite a "classic" synth- it doesn't have complex envelopes, or some "wacky" pad or anything unique just to softsynths.
I find that a plus, as it focuses on a fast workflow of complex tones from the good old building blocks, but in a more flexible way. Once you get to know it, it's a well behaved dog. Most of the important stuff goes into the 128 midi controllable parameters of live.
The oscillators are diverse and also has a wavetable.
There are lots of filter types (carefully modulated Band Reject ooo yeahhh)
The sound of the effects and especially the reverb is superb.
almost EVERYTHING can be modulated (for example, 3 modulation sources for each of the filter parameters). Modulations sits next to the modulated parameter- much better then a matrix IMHO. Superb GUI, considering the quantity of parameters to tweak.
I found that the most important thing for me is response to velocity and MW, the more destinations able to accept these values, the better.
To my ears, the sound quality and sound diversity of this synth is only matched and surpassed by the Cameleon5000, which produces increadible depth and realism, but in a more CPU heavy package and a different workflow - It's an additive synth. The Photone can be CPU heavy (well what would you exppect, with all of this modulation and effects under your hand), but when used efficiently it runs about %10 cpu on my AMD3200 512kb Laptop machine.
So, my vote for a "workhorse" goes to Photone, and my vote for sheer sound quality goes to the Cameleon5000, but the difference is not large. Once I tried and tweaked a few pads/bass sounds with the Cameleon5000, I had a "this is it" thing going, after a long jurney. But when I want to do something from scratch, I prefer the simple blocks of photone, all infront of me on one screen.
Operator is able to respond great to velocity, but unfortunatly, the filters are far behind many synths. Using VST filters afterwards will not enable response to velocity or MW.
However, it's super CPU light, so it got its uses.
Reason is not a synth... Reason has two synths.njh wrote:btw my favorite soft synth is still reason..
i have not heard any soft synth that reason can not match..
that said im really tired of soft synths and am ready to own a hardware synth (since i never had one)
These are the best IMO...
Absynth
Blue
Vanguard
MS-20
Minimoog
Rapture
CS-80
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