Is using macs just a trend?

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:28 am

Fact - Mac's are faster and more stable and reliable than Windows PC's.

Nobody can argue this point!

Fair point that many PC's have similar and sometimes some superior parts than Mac's, but there is one thing that will always be better on the Mac......The Operating System.

Windows PC's utilize old technology (eg the BIOS - eighties technology) and this puts on a huge processing overhead. Mac OS will typically use a third of system resourses to run than Windows, this is before you start any programs.

New versions of Windows are just old versions dressed up and until microsoft completely ovehaul thier OS they will not get more efficient. Just look at the system requirements for each OS, Vista needs at least 512 RAM.

Most of the people in this thread just dont understand why Mac's are faster because they look at specifications like the Processors Clock Speed, etc. The only way to compare the performance is to look at professional benchmark tests.

So no, Mac's are not just a 'Fad', there are MANY good reasons why they are the only choice for professionals.

Jamie

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:52 am

JamieG wrote:Fact - Mac's are faster and more stable and reliable than Windows PC's.

Nobody can argue this point!

have you been cryogeniclly frozen the last 10 years?

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:56 am

JamieG wrote: Most of the people in this thread just dont understand why Mac's are faster because they look at specifications like the Processors Clock Speed, etc. The only way to compare the performance is to look at professional benchmark tests.

dude, last Benchmark I heard was that Live actually ran very slightly faster than OSX under XP on an intel mac with boot camp

and given this is the Ableton forum I'm guessing the priority is how fast Live runs

I honestly couldnt care less whether apples or pears roll down a hill faster but you sir are talking out of your anus

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:57 am

I use PCs and Macs - have done for at least 11 years.
Both for audio and for graphic design work - Macs (in my opinion) are far more stable, are more intuative to use and as the ad sais - they just work. PCs have caused me no end of trouble, sloppy programming by microsoft and no thought on user interface. However the old macs up until the imacs and G3s were utter rubbish and full of bugs and problems - OSX is a fantastic operating system from a user point of view. i love my mac!! i cant say that about my PCs

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:58 am

well, in our house the mac is the one that gives us more shit

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:11 pm

forge wrote:
dude, last Benchmark I heard was that Live actually ran very slightly faster than OSX under XP on an intel mac with boot camp

and given this is the Ableton forum I'm guessing the priority is how fast Live runs

I honestly couldnt care less whether apples or pears roll down a hill faster but you sir are talking out of your anus

No, the thread was about Mac's being a 'Trend'. I aint talking out my anus, I just stated a few facts.

Maybe Ableton runs faster on XP, but this is because of how it is written and compiled etc, not because XP is faster than OS X.

Ableton is just one program, I am talking very generaly and I stick by my point that Mac's are a much better choice for Professionals, especialy in MultiMedia applications (where a 'Crash' would be potentially devastating).

Try a Mac and you will eat your words while your PC gathers dust (like mine, which incidently cost alot more than my Mac did)

Jamie

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:20 pm

JamieG wrote:
forge wrote:
dude, last Benchmark I heard was that Live actually ran very slightly faster than OSX under XP on an intel mac with boot camp

and given this is the Ableton forum I'm guessing the priority is how fast Live runs

I honestly couldnt care less whether apples or pears roll down a hill faster but you sir are talking out of your anus

No, the thread was about Mac's being a 'Trend'. I aint talking out my anus, I just stated a few facts.

Maybe Ableton runs faster on XP, but this is because of how it is written and compiled etc, not because XP is faster than OS X.

Ableton is just one program, I am talking very generaly and I stick by my point that Mac's are a much better choice for Professionals, especialy in MultiMedia applications (where a 'Crash' would be potentially devastating).

Try a Mac and you will eat your words while your PC gathers dust (like mine, which incidently cost alot more than my Mac did)

Jamie

I've been using both since they existed, just as the majority of these "professionals" you speak of would have too, as well as probably Ataris, Amigas, commodore bloody 64s (unless they are young professionals) and pocket calculators

you can only say you are stating facts if they are actually facts. Those were a long way from facts

anyway I'm not getting drawn into another pissing contest, neither is better in all respects, I just felt provoked into responding because you so firmly stated that load of utter bollocks you were spewing were facts

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:01 pm

subterFUSE wrote: Knowing how to use a Mac is just a extra bonus.

Mac techs get paid more money.

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:06 pm

I've been using both since they existed, just as the majority of these "professionals" you speak of would have too, as well as probably Ataris, Amigas, commodore bloody 64s (unless they are young professionals) and pocket calculators

you can only say you are stating facts if they are actually facts. Those were a long way from facts

anyway I'm not getting drawn into another pissing contest, neither is better in all respects, I just felt provoked into responding because you so firmly stated that load of utter bollocks you were spewing were facts

Ok, I think what I was saying may have been interpruted wrongly. Of course PC's and other non-Mac's have their place in computing and in some cases it can be argued that what I said could be opinion rather than fact.

But it is certainly true that:

Despite sometimes having a slightly higher initial purchase cost, Macintosh computers have substantially lower TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.

Mac's requires fewer keystrokes for similar tasks, and results in much higher user productivity.

Macs are VERY reliable. Compared to Windows PCs, Macs are MUCH easier to support — and when properly maintained, they experience FAR fewer problems. Furthermore, Macs are more secure — e.g. they are MUCH less prone to virus attacks.

I have tried to be as clear as I can and these are some of the reasons (NOTE I'm not saying facts, but I can present evidence to back them up if you have problems digesting them) that I'll give to put my opinion accross.

Most people who use Mac's use them because they are an out-of-box solution that gets the job done with minimum of fuss.

I dont want to start a pissing contest here either, if I did I could spend all day talking about Microsoft speghetti code.

Jamie

zappen · Post by **zappen** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:16 pm

it's "spaghetti"!
i always enjoy those Pc vs. Mac battles, i'll always remember my old friend's statement:
MACINTOSH - twice the price for half the power to run ten percent of the appz... this was not many years ago... right before the use of intel processors.
imoh macs are better for non-expert users, usually fashionists wannabe richs that want to run their 2 favourite applications clicking the coloured icons , and browse web porn without risking visuses :D for the rest it's almost the same on pc,

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:31 pm

apple are cool.

http://www.greenpeace.org/international ... es-line-up

zappen · Post by **zappen** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:48 pm

you meant to show this? : http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/i ... e-rank.pdf

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:56 pm

JamieG wrote:Fact - Mac's are faster and more stable and reliable than Windows PC's.

Nobody can argue this point!

Fair point that many PC's have similar and sometimes some superior parts than Mac's, but there is one thing that will always be better on the Mac......The Operating System.

Windows PC's utilize old technology (eg the BIOS - eighties technology) and this puts on a huge processing overhead. Mac OS will typically use a third of system resourses to run than Windows, this is before you start any programs.

New versions of Windows are just old versions dressed up and until microsoft completely ovehaul thier OS they will not get more efficient. Just look at the system requirements for each OS, Vista needs at least 512 RAM.

Most of the people in this thread just dont understand why Mac's are faster because they look at specifications like the Processors Clock Speed, etc. The only way to compare the performance is to look at professional benchmark tests.

So no, Mac's are not just a 'Fad', there are MANY good reasons why they are the only choice for professionals.

Jamie

I wanted to buy a mac but on this very forum I found reference to problems of the first release og Intel Macs here:
http://www.appledefects.com

Now I'm confused

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:10 pm

Pasha wrote: I wanted to buy a mac but on this very forum I found reference to problems of the first release og Intel Macs here:
http://www.appledefects.com

Now I'm confused

Wait a few weeks, Apple are rumoured to be updating their line of computers to Intels latest chip - Core 2 Duo.

These will comps will fly, don't be put off by a few users experiences, they are in a VERY small minority. I've had my Apple PowerBook G4 for nearly 2 and a half years and it has given NO problems.....It has withstood HEAVY use and several drops

!

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:26 pm

Fact - Mac's are faster and more stable and reliable than Windows PC's.

It is not a fact that Macs are faster than PCs. Frankly, it never really has been. Maybe for about 2 seconds, when the first dual G4 PowerPC chips were released... they might have been. But the PC market has always moved past Apple in terms of hardware performance, leaving them to play catch-up.

That is why Apple switched to Intel chips. Hardware performance..... especially with their laptops. The G4 laptop was so outdated, it wasn't even funny.

Just look at how Apple markets the new Intel Macs..... They claim they are all lightyears ahead of any previous Mac. That just shows how far behind they were before the switch.

Just look back at the old performance threads in this forum. It says a lot when a $900 PC laptop was outperforming a $3700 Apple laptop by a margin of like 30%. When I purchased my PC laptop last year, that was the situation.

NOW that the Intel switch has been made, it is far more reasonable to consider the tech specs closer to equal between PC and Mac.... because they are basically the exact same thing, only with a different OS. The PCs will still be slightly ahead, because Apple is such a small company.... and they can't afford to make the frequent changes to their hardware like PC companies do. That's why PC laptops have Core 2 Duo for a little while already, while Apple still has not released them yet. (I expect them to, soon.... if they don't, then that's just a joke)

If you prefer the OS.... that's great. That's a subjective decision, and I won't fault anyone for it.

But as far as hardware goes... Macs are not faster. They are equal, or slower.... depending on the timing.