Time for an overhaul of the UI?

webslave · Post by **webslave** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:58 pm

Poster wrote:
webslave wrote:I think it's a fair point to want the visual design to be more current - after all music is about trends and if many are going to have live on stage it'll be nice for it to have the right outfit.
No offence but i can only hope you're not serious about this statement..
If you are serious; please do some reading about the basics of design..

You didnt read the rest of the post did you? Seriously an alteration of the visual layer in such a way it does not alter the interaction layer (bearing in mind where they are linked) is something Live has always offered anyway.

Also what do you mean by 'design?' - I presume you mean visual design.

Stew

dm_hawk · Post by **dm_hawk** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:00 pm

i'd love to see it go evn mre mnml

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:03 pm

rbmonosylabik wrote:
rbmonosylabik wrote:Off the top of my head, I'd like to see some kind of pages/choose what parameters you want to see and modify for 3rd party plug ins. I just say so because stuff like this can get confusing and take too much space.

Maybe a "Edit plugin layout" button that would open a floating window with all the parameters and you could drag and drop or activate the ones you want to see into the extended plug in view. Templates for this would be a welcome extra.

The editing tab is already there. they can just use the "mapping browser". All we need is the actual feature...

webslave · Post by **webslave** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:09 pm

dm_hawk wrote:i'd love to see it go evn mre mnml

We're talking about visuals really not the actual UI which everyone here likes. The stye is distinctive and you can change the skin under the preference options.

Maybe there could be a few more skins - maybe some ones with gradient backgrounds (very in at the moment) or even non rounded corners.

Nearly everyone will use the default skin but I'm sure some will want to make the visual appearance match their shirt

Stew

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:14 pm

webslave wrote:
Poster wrote:
webslave wrote:I think it's a fair point to want the visual design to be more current - after all music is about trends and if many are going to have live on stage it'll be nice for it to have the right outfit.
No offence but i can only hope you're not serious about this statement..
If you are serious; please do some reading about the basics of design..
You didnt read the rest of the post did you? Seriously an alteration of the visual layer in such a way it does not alter the interaction layer (bearing in mind where they are linked) is something Live has always offered anyway.

Also what do you mean by 'design?' - I presume you mean visual design.

Stew

I did read your whole post, but this part made me chuckle because it's nonsense..
Yes I was talking about the visual design because that is what this topic is about..
Not the interaction/behaviour design..

So I ask again; are you serious about your comment?
That the Live GUI should follow the current stylish trend so we look sharp on stage..?
Cause that's what you're saying..

Taiis · Post by **Taiis** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:14 pm

I think it's funny how everyone assume that this overhaul should be one that is made up from gawdy 3d knobs and dusted metal.

Maybe they could make it even more simple to use? - maybe it could be even tastier and more euro-ish.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:21 pm

I love it, one of the reasons I switched to Live. The ugliest, irritating was pre SX Cubase, I had impression that they got somehow inspired by Live doing the SX. Logic is/was not much better and all those pseudo moog Arturias and other ridiculous , sometimes disgusting but above all sensless softwares.
Since I am kind of workaholic I try to keep my working enviroment esthetically pleasing so Mac, now Vaio, Genelec etc get better business from me. It is not everything, though I love TI polar look I want buy it cause its sound does not impress me enough but esthetic factor is not unimportant for me.
Ableton impressed me with their design long before I started using it (waited for the midi), that includes the webpage and everything else.
Of the newer ones - love that "ableton world" design on the T shirts.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:22 pm

Taiis wrote:Maybe they could make it even more simple to use? - maybe it could be even tastier and more euro-ish.

- what is more simple?
Live is dropdead simple already..
If you going to make it even more simple features will fall out

- what is 'more euro-ish'?
It's the 2nd time I read this 'euro' term in this thread..
Do you actually know where Ableton is founded?
How more euro-ish can you go?
Even the looks of Live are very european if you put it into perspective to Germany's long going tradition in graphic design.. (i.e. Bauhaus)

unklmic · Post by **unklmic** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:37 pm

Thank you Taiis. That's what I was getting at. A bit of modernisation which would add to the experience.

I am quite amazed how defensive most of you guys are at the suggestion of improving the UI? Have you not seen the threads about klinikal's black skins. He did it because there ARE improvements to be made, and his implementation of it , whilst probably the best he could do whithout hacking live, is really not up to scratch.

Use some imagination people!!!

All of you who crow that it is perfect as it is, what about this one suggestion I have:

All the black sections in the plug - ins, for eg the EQ4, what about having some visual feedback as to what the effect is doing. Wouldn't it be great seeing the eq curve, and how your settings effect it?

Please tell us all that you are not interested in such 'distractions'.

How many other visual improvements could the guys at ableton cook up which none of us could yet imagine?

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:44 pm

now that Inspector is nowhere to be found, the abes could jump on the free but powerful analysis plug

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:48 pm

Danny Futuro · Post by **Danny Futuro** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:49 pm

sometimes the UI is TOO minimal.

The midi notes displayed in the piano roll whilst editing a midi clip are too thin, and are difficult to get your mouse pointer on. Folding the notes isnt always an option, esp. while you are trying to audition different pitches for a particular chord. You'll highlight the notes, try to get the mouse pointer on one of em to drag them up or down, then you end up clicking off of them, having to repeat the process a couple times until you click on the note.

this is probably the only thing holding me back from using Live as my main DAW. Until thats fixed, Reason has my money.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:53 pm

Danny Futuro wrote:sometimes the UI is TOO minimal.

The midi notes displayed in the piano roll whilst editing a midi clip are too thin, .

you do know you can zoom them fatter?
zoomed to full fatness they are so huge that only 22 will fit on my screen height.

I'm a bit baffled by your problem.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:53 pm

Danny Futuro wrote:sometimes the UI is TOO minimal.

The midi notes displayed in the piano roll whilst editing a midi clip are too thin, and are difficult to get your mouse pointer on. Folding the notes isnt always an option, esp. while you are trying to audition different pitches for a particular chord. You'll highlight the notes, try to get the mouse pointer on one of em to drag them up or down, then you end up clicking off of them, having to repeat the process a couple times until you click on the note.

this is probably the only thing holding me back from using Live as my main DAW. Until thats fixed, Reason has my money.

not sure if I understand you correctly,
but you are aware of the fact that you can zoom in aren't you?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:55 pm

zoom zoom

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