No fade in/out/crossfade for audio clips in Ableton 6 ?

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:29 am

I love the guys with like 4500 post who come around beating your totally legit post down like your some sort of lazy piece of shit musician that needs to take the time to draw your own god damn fade.

The spend so much time posting they forgot about fucking WORK FLOW and what actually goes into making some good damn music. Cross fades and fade ins and outs are nothing new. Even programs like Vegas (Video/Audio App) Have cross fades between clips and fades on clips and choose-able fades. Imagine that! I fail to see what any different about that in live.

I think people think once they get to a certain number of posts, that they are the complete authority on the product in which the forums they post. Go make some music!

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:57 am

in a more passive manner, i agree mdb, but what really gets me is that the suggestions that get rebuked the most are the most mundane of everyday workhorse audio needs.

an forum based on an application like this should be beyond debating the merrit of crossfades and slicers. Now if somebody asked for another fm fuckin synth it would be in there by this weekend.

sometimes I wonder if people even read the request before chiming in and doing everything they can to stop someobody from getting what they want... I mean for petes cousins sake!!! were on to questioning crossfades now

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:00 pm

on a lighter note, could you imagine a internet forum where hundreds of people are arguing over whether a bandaid sticks or not

, the thought of that just tickles me

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:05 pm

no offense, i loves all'a'ya, even the haters

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:16 pm

Yeah, man. Californians think alike.

Imagine how sweet it would be to able to do this in ableton. Heres a little glimpse of what your missing. Like i said before, even video apps have this feature. Makes no sense ableton doesn't.

sgx · Post by **sgx** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:17 pm

ACID 6 got a lot of Vegas' features, so it can do all that too now. Looks almost exactly the same. I much prefer ACID for audio work over Live, but ACID's midi (even though it is much improved) is still pretty retarded.

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:12 pm

Yes, it totally looks like acid. But my point was, that anyone who would stick their nose up to these sorts of features in Live isn't a professional in the business and obviously doesn't produce music on a regular basis for artists. This feature is everything live is about. Doing stuff on the fly. How fast can you draw a cross fade and layer a sound on top of another? Not very, in Live. This is in EVERY other Music making app i can think of. Or ones worth giving a shit about, at least.. So why anyone would bad mouth it, is beyond me.

mooncaine · Post by **mooncaine** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:03 pm

Angstrom wrote:And now, lets take quick a look at a poll of what Live users use Live for
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Flawed poll; also out of date. Main flaw: doesn't have enough options. Not one describes what a good number of us use Live for [enough that you can find more than one long, helpful thread on looping, um, live with Live].

mooncaine · Post by **mooncaine** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:12 pm

I do lots of video editing with Final Cut Pro. It has drop-in transitions; you can make your own or use an existing one, and there's a default one, too: the cross-dissolve.

That's exactly what cross-fade is, except for video. Any transition that makes sense for 2 adjacent tracks works in that context, and if the same transition makes sense for two clips in the same track, they just do their thing in that context, too.

Idea: transitions you can drop in, or just assign a key or MIDI msg to and trigger, on a clip or track. That way you can make your own, if you want, or just use the default one, or, if you don't want to see that stuff, you just never look at the transitions list and you don't ever need to know that Ableton added a feature that hurts your tender feelings.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:34 pm

Just put the 2nd clip into another track, launch it whenever you want, twiddle whatever effect at the same time. Live is not Vegas (thank god), learn Live and I think you'll find plenty of ways to pull off what you're asking.

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:52 pm

Lets just argue for the sake of argument. Did anyone say we wanted live to be like Vegas? No, no one did. We just want fad in out and features LIKE EVERY OTHER program HAS. If you don't want the feature, then don't fuckin say anything man. Just because you have 13000 posts doesn't mean your the authority on whats usable to other musicians and sound editors.

You think i wanna control my fuckin light setup with midi clips? No, i don't but i don't bitch to the people that ask for these sorts of features. Same thing. Get off your high horse dude.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:06 am

mdb wrote:Lets just argue for the sake of argument. Did anyone say we wanted live to be like Vegas? No, no one did. We just want fad in out and features LIKE EVERY OTHER program HAS. If you don't want the feature, then don't fuckin say anything man. Just because you have 13000 posts doesn't mean your the authority on whats usable to other musicians and sound editors.

You think i wanna control my fuckin light setup with midi clips? No, i don't but i don't bitch to the people that ask for these sorts of features. Same thing. Get off your high horse dude.

Nobody deserves to be sworn at like that, you should be ashamed of yourself.

My post presented a workaround and a suggestion that once once learns to think within the paradigm of Live, a lot of possibilities comes to mind. Live is really weird, very unique, it takes some time to wrap your head around what the Abes have created. Rather than creating new features, use what you have in new ways, be creative. To say that Live doesn't do X-Y-Z like PT, FL, Vegas, Cubase, is like asking why a horse doesn't have seats or a car doesn't have a saddle.

A high post count doesn't mean anything other than it makes me a target for being over-criticised. I guess I have two options, be a pussy and start a new name, or stop discussing Live altogether. Nah.

I'll be very careful when posting in one of your threads, you're mean.

BTW why would you mention your lights? Better to see down from your horse?

mdb · Post by **mdb** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:56 am

No, you know damn well what your post was about. And I'm not ashamed to stick up for my beliefs. Not in the least bit. I'm not gonna get all crunchy and politically correct, like you cats in "the shitty". Sorry, not gonna happen.

If you don't want the feature or disagree with what were discussing, then just don't say anything. Whats the point of you sticking your nose up to it? Thats the part i don't get.

Nobody deserves to be treated like were fuckin newbs either dude. How many records have you produced? How many of them are in stores? How many of them have been played on the radio in constant rotation? Who wants to sit around creating extra tracks for fades? You ever had a ableton project with 32 tracks dude? You think its easy to just throw another track on for a crossfade?? Its just that easy eh? You have no idea, dude.. you really don't..

Its your holier then though attitude dude, that makes people react to you the way they do. Step of your podium and maybe ill level with you. Until then..

soundpalace · Post by **soundpalace** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:54 am

I'm incredibly surprised at how reluctant people here are to accept that this feature would be useful ... maybe most musicians here are electronic musicians that don't use much audio ? Not criticising ... just thinking out aloud since I create electronic music too. But when it comes to recording bands or producing music where a lot audio is required, fade in/out/crossfade are simply essential features, there is question about it, especially with 12 channels of drums, when you just want to cut the sound at a particular part, and simply fade in or out, you just want to click and drag, none of this drawing clip volume stuff ... that should be available as a seperate feature to assist in managing fluctuation in an audio file's level over time, where a compressor just won't do.

I don't think I know any other DAW or even free / cheap DAW that doesn't have this feature, it's basically the next thing usually implemented after audio recording.

As shown in the screenshot above, this is exactly what I'm talking about, doesn't have to be complex ... just allows you to fade in / out / crossfade by dragging and using shortcut keys ... and possibly adjust the slope of this fade. Also the ability to do it on multiple clips is a must.

I absolutely love where live is going, it is a very unique and impressive application which does all things very logically, except this.

What you are all saying ... is equivalent to saying ... why do you need a sampler ? ... just load the wave files and transpose the wav files for each note you wish to play. Or ... why use warp when you can cut out each individual hit in a drum loop and place it in correct time manually ...

Oh well, maybe I'm just too old fashioned when it comes to DAW for expecting this

Fots

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:56 am

yes

crossfade would be good. often find myself wanting it, its not a showstopper, but personally I cant usually be arsed to create another track and do a fade like that, its long.

No fade in/out/crossfade for audio clips in Ableton 6 ?

Maybe 'transitions' would suit the Live style

Re: Maybe 'transitions' would suit the Live style