Live 6 more expensive in EU than US why???

cube · Post by **cube** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:51 pm

Oh! now I have to go to Switzerland.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:14 pm

just about everything in the US is cheaper (particularly tech and hardware). that is, if you're complaining about the differential with live, complain about everything else too (there have been some interesting discussions amongst economists about why this is the case, no one has a particularly good answer (other than generalities about sizes of markets, demand, relative cost of labor, etc.)).

pieter · Post by **pieter** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:06 pm

hey peeps
i'm a belgian in canada.
billing address is in canada, credit card (bank account) is in belgium. which price do i pay?

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:26 pm

Ian F wrote:It might be a VAT charge for EU citizens.

Or may be they are charging what they think the market will bear, I believe things generally are less expensive in the US.

Extra charges for being under socialism to provide welfare for Europe's fifth column of throat cutting illegals. go figure!!!

overdub · Post by **overdub** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:29 pm

I'm not sure about Sweden - but Danish VAT is 25%
German VAT is only 16%, so buying the upgrade in the Ableton shop has saved me 9% compared to the price in a Danish dealer

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:39 pm

cube wrote:I can not understand the prices Ableton put up?

549€ for EU and 599$ US, the dollar is much lower than the euro.

In Sweden where I live it is almost 73€ euro in difference=104$ if I could buy the US version.

How come?

($599 / 1.267 (US$->EUR)) * 1.16 (german VAT) = 548.4 EUR

as you see the price is absolutely the same.

Ralf

PS. From Jan 1, VAT will be 19% in Germany.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:38 pm

George Bush maybe?

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:22 pm

Many things cost less in the USA than anywhere, even things that are imported.

For example, BMW makes most of their cars in Germany, yet they sell for less in the USA even though they have to be imported. This is because the US market is the largest for BMW, and we get huge discounts on the large volume of cars sold.

Plus, our taxes on purchases are quite low, compared to Europe. Our sales taxes depend on the state, but here in Florida it's only 6.5%. But if you purchase something mail order from another state, sales tax is waived.

JMowery · Post by **JMowery** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:01 pm

Actually, the US Economy is doing significantly better than any European country.

The US's Dow Jones Industrial Average just made record high's this past week, as well as the S&P 500 index and various other index's.

Gas is $1.93 a gallon, it's great!!!

Just figured I'd set everyone straight on that.

It's good to be an American, especially if you are a financial trader like myself. show me the MONEY!!!$$$$$

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:22 pm

JMowery wrote:Actually, the US Economy is doing significantly better than any European country.

Is that so? I can buy cheaper (e.g. Live) in your country with my Euro than you can with your Dollar...

melocoton · Post by **melocoton** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:19 am

JMowery wrote:The US's Dow Jones Industrial Average just made record high's this past week, as well as the S&P 500 index and various other index's.

Hooray for corporate America!

Meanwhile US wages are at an all time low
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/busin ... 70&ei=5070

Millions of people are without health insurance, personal savings are dangerously low, the housing bubble looks ready to burst, and productivity is at an all time high, meaning Americans work longer hours for less money, often doing the jobs of multiple people.

But yeah, I'm sure it has something to do with those commie pinko euros and their high taxes

4am · Post by **4am** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:47 am

pieter wrote:hey peeps
i'm a belgian in canada.
billing address is in canada, credit card (bank account) is in belgium. which price do i pay?

the canadian one

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:57 pm

Hyperion wrote:
JMowery wrote:Actually, the US Economy is doing significantly better than any European country.
Is that so? I can buy cheaper (e.g. Live) in your country with my Euro than you can with your Dollar...

Exchange rates don't tell the whole story, though. You can't judge the strength of an economy only on echange rates.

Besides... if you spent your Euros over here, and brought back goods... don't you have to pay import duties?

I think we have it pretty good here in the USA. Best place to live in the whole world.

I am obviously a big BMW enthusiast... and I post on a messageboard similar to this one, but for BMW. There are people there from all over the world, and it's absolutely amazing to listen to the differences in prices and taxes on cars in other countries. Here in the USA, we have the largest market in the world for BMWs. Go to Europe or Asia, and for someone to be able to afford the same cars takes a lot more money. In some countries, the government charges taxes which exceed the value of the car itself. So owning a little, basic 3 series can be like owning a Ferrari here in the USA.

People that do own cars in Europe or other countries also have much higher costs of ownership. Fuel, for example, costs far more in Europe than in the USA. A lot of the BMW owners I hear from in Europe own diesels, which they don't even sell in the States. They also tend to have the cars stripped down with fewer options. They have to do this, because it's just so much more expensive to get the cars there.... that fewer can really afford them with any extra features.

Even in Germany it costs more to buy them, and they build the cars there.
In fact, if I go to a BMW dealer here in the USA.... and order a new BMW with European delivery (meaning I fly to Germany and pick the car up at the factory)... I can get an additional 7% discount off the already lower USA pricing. Then I have the car shipped back to the USA when I return.

So..... not only is it easier for someone in the USA to accumulate the wealth needed, but the items end up costing less, too. Not a bad deal for us, I have to say.

Yeah..... the Euro is trading stronger against the dollar these days. Funny thing is.... I haven't felt much effect from that in the imported items I purchase. I am able to buy things made in Europe for less than anyone living in Europe.

I have not purchased Live 6 yet. But I wouldn't be surprised if I searched around and found it someplace in the USA for cheaper than you'll find it in Europe. Maybe I'm wrong? But I wouldn't be surprised.

err_eur · Post by **err_eur** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:13 pm

It's called Wal-Mart economics.......

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:15 pm

err_eur wrote:It's called Wal-Mart economics.......

Call it whatever you want.... it kicks ass for me. I'm happy.

Live 6 more expensive in EU than US why???

LOOK at the bright side

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