I don't want SWING, I want GROOVES how!!!!

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:23 am

OK,

I know that live will let me swing my clips, but I want to emulate grooves from other breaks and stuff.. You know...it's called Groove Control.

Why in the hell can't I figure out how to do this in Live. It seems it should be a no fucking brainer.

Can I copy a groove (and by that I mean the timing and velocity of a groove) of a file be it MIDI or audio and apply it to another?

I can do this in EXt, Cubase, fRuity, Orion, how about ....LIVE.

Live is my host of choice, I figured by now they would have emplimented groove quanitze, but I'm getting a little scared now.

Can this be done???!!!???

Thanks,

dw

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:20 am

There's no such feature in Live per se, but you can do it with warping

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:08 am

In live6 you can use the warping of one track as a master for all others - midi or audio.

Grab your funkiest drum loop. Warp it as much as possible (16th notes). Set it as master. Set it to loop in arrangement view.

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:26 am

so this can't be done in LIVE5??

arghhh

dw

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:45 pm

Heres what happens when you move warp markers in an attempt to work a groove
Loops sound fine on their own
Add multiple loops and all sorts of phasey randomness happens
very often a part of a loop will not sit correctly with the music so you end up splitting the audio on to other tracks to try and fix it eventually getting lost in teh clicky editing of it all.
If you use many loops and want to change the feel of most of them forget it unless you want to sound like you mixed under water
moving markers is better on vocals and non percussive sounds
The new method in Live six doesnt sound like the answer to me but I havent been able to work out what its all about yet.

mr.wiggles · Post by **mr.wiggles** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:49 pm

i haven"t tried this yet cuz i have a different method for quantizing but if you do tha "get user groove" thing in reason, apply it to whatever you want to groove quantize + then export tha file it should work no? (long process but if you are only quantizing a couple tracks should be ok). check this:

http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/01/28/ ... -tutorial/

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:36 pm

mercyplease wrote:The new method in Live six doesnt sound like the answer to me but I havent been able to work out what its all about yet.

I was impressed by it. I tried to add a certain rhythmic feel to a project, and ended up simply tapping the rhythm to a table, recording that, and mapping that as a tempo master. Everything (MIDI and audio) follows that groove instantly. Seems to work very nicely.

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:42 pm

Nokatus wrote:
mercyplease wrote:The new method in Live six doesnt sound like the answer to me but I havent been able to work out what its all about yet.
I was impressed by it. I tried to add a certain rhythmic feel to a project, and ended up simply tapping the rhythm to a table, recording that, and mapping that as a tempo master. Everything (MIDI and audio) follows that groove instantly. Seems to work very nicely.

sounds interesting so looking forward to trying it out but it seems to be a one size fits all and is not really what Im looking for. All I want is groove quantise fo seperate midi tracks and some sort opf beat extraction process that can be applied to midi programmed drums or the other way around.