[OT] A greener Apple?

metapathik · Post by **metapathik** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:17 pm

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:41 pm

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/E ... E235C.html

Fledz · Post by **Fledz** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:41 am

metapathik wrote:http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/

word.

Good on apple. Now that they have the Greens happy, can they please for the love of God hire some beta testers to test their software?

They've gotten into a habit of releasing unfinished software. Anyone tried the new iTunes or own a 5G iPod (before the update) and tried updating it? If not, do a search on the net and you will see exactly what I mean. They charge so much for their products and claim they are better than microsoft etc, but couldn't write a decent script if their life depended on it

zappen · Post by **zappen** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:49 am

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... greenpeace

search before posting :D

metapathik · Post by **metapathik** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:44 am

zappen wrote:search before posting

will do - now i know for next time...

rbmonosylabik:

i find it quite interesting that the bulk of paid advertising on your "counter" article's site is from the itunes music store (apple) - and yet, to the contrary, i fail to see how greenpeace would stand to benefit from championing this cause...

regardless of whether or not apple is actually worse than other companies in terms of product toxicity, i think the point is that since everyone looks to apple as *the* cutting edge technology company right now, they're more poised than any other to take a stand on this issue...

the condition of our environment is easily one of the biggest issues facing the global community. in a consumer society where corrupt governments fail to enforce positive change and individuals feel increasingly powerless to make a difference, responsible corporations need to lead the way and take matters into their own hands. with apple being widely regarded as a market leader, taking a step in this direction would hopefully make it fashionable for other companies to do the same...

if apple were to address the issue of technological pollution with a "greener" product, i'm sure it would not only have market-wide ramifications, but would ultimately benefit their sales as well. if you are a big fan of apple, i don't understand why you wouldn't want to see a good product become an even better one...

tomperson · Post by **tomperson** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:24 pm

for some reason that's not logical (I have no proofs of anything) i tend to distrust greenpeace. i feel like they are the showbiz of ecology or something. just a feeling, as I said.

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:46 pm

Fledz wrote:Good on apple. Now that they have the Greens happy, can they please for the love of God hire some beta testers to test their software?

They've gotten into a habit of releasing unfinished software. Anyone tried the new iTunes or own a 5G iPod (before the update) and tried updating it? If not, do a search on the net and you will see exactly what I mean. They charge so much for their products and claim they are better than microsoft etc, but couldn't write a decent script if their life depended on it

You mean like the developers release of their new operating system? OS X 10.5 will be out spring 2007 and has been released to developers for MANY weeks now.

These days it is not fair to say a PC is cheaper. You show me a PC laptop with a similar spec to a MacBook for less than £750 ($1,100). If you can, does it come bundled with powerfull easy to use applications (eg. iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, etc)?......I think not!

If you are going to compare Apple to Microsoft I am assuming that you are talking operating systems. I don't think it is reasonable to say what you did. Apple OS X is the most advanced operating system in the world, whereas Microsofts speghetti code gets less efficient with each release. They make the interface look prettier at the cost of performance. The code is SO all over the place that Microsoft themselves don't know how to fix it, so they just add to it. Windows Vista takes up more 7gig of hard drive space, WTF is going on!!!

Apple software and OS is the most stable around, so I don't know why you think they can't write a script if their life depended on it, maybe its because you have never owned a Mac and don't know what a pleasure they are to use compared to PC's??

zappen · Post by **zappen** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:50 pm

blablablabla bla mac are the best period blablablabla... kthx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0QxafBu0b8

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:41 pm

You can slag Apple for being environmentally negligent in their product's life cycles.

You can slag LG (to whom Greenpeace give limited praise) for funding Hizbollah's rocket arsenal (paid advertising on Al-Manar).

You can slag both Apple and LG and Acer and Lenovo and pretty much all the others for exploiting labour in their assembly.

If there's such a thing as a "socially conscious" computer, I don't know of it. They're all nasty.

robin · Post by **robin** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:44 pm

M. Bréqs wrote: If there's such a thing as a "socially conscious" computer, I don't know of it. They're all nasty.

I agree.Same with oil companies. They're all bad.

metapathik · Post by **metapathik** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:06 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:If there's such a thing as a "socially conscious" computer, I don't know of it. They're all nasty.

fair enough, but what are you suggesting? that we remain completely apathetic and continue to allow these companies to produce nasty machines that we'll all still buy and use?

why not at least attempt to wield some of our market power towards demanding a better product and try to make a positive change? perhaps it won't gain much, but apathy gains nothing at all...

ableton is a great example of a fantastic company that listens to their loyal customer base and does their best to meet those needs. i would hope that apple and other like-minded companies, when faced with forceful demands for a more eco-conscious design policy from their biggest fans, would make some changes to their product line rather than face consumer backlash...

for the record: the last thing i intended was for this thread to become another mac vs. p.c. flamewar. personally, i use both platforms, and they both have their pros and cons...

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:27 pm

metapathik wrote:
M. Bréqs wrote:If there's such a thing as a "socially conscious" computer, I don't know of it. They're all nasty.
fair enough, but what are you suggesting? that we remain completely apathetic and continue to allow these companies to produce nasty machines that we'll all still buy and use?

Not at all. But consumers have no leverage. We can't say that we won't buy environmentally dangerous computers, or computers which were assembled with exploited labour, because they're ALL like that. So, we can say to Lenovo "hey, you suck, we're not going to buy your garbage", but to whom then do we turn as consumers?

They know this and they realize that there's no incentive to cave into pressure. Until there's a socially conscious alternative, the only other option is not buying computers at all - and that's a pipe dream.

Perhaps what we need to do is evaluate our need for increased speed, memory, processing... Could you write music 10 years ago? 15? All of the greats of electronic music certainly could, and they didn't have 2.8 Ghz dual cores with terabytes of storage... Yet somehow they managed.

If we as consumers hung on to our computers longer, then we could hurt them...

But, naturally they'll respond with even worse planned obsolescence, forcing us to buy new comps afters ours break down.

I don't see a viable course of action here; can somebody suggest anything?

metapathik · Post by **metapathik** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:47 pm

M. Bréqs, you make some excellent points here. i suppose that where our views differ is that i believe the consumer does still have some (rarely used) clout in the capitalist marketplace...

it's not a matter of saying "we won't buy environmentally dangerous computers" (a pipe dream indeed) - but rather, that we will choose to buy environmentally-friendly computers over toxic ones...

with this in mind, greenpeace's initiative to spread consumer awareness and hopefully shame a company like apple into improving their brand image (by incorporating ecological design strategies) doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me. it remains to be seen if it'll have much effect, but in the meantime it's nice to see some action...

even if this merely represents the beginning of a trend towards consumers demanding increased ecological responsibility from their favored brands, i can't see it as being such a bad thing...

funknotik · Post by **funknotik** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:56 am

I hate mac passionately! I have a powerbook and its been nothing but problems from the beggining!! Die mac die! That is all i will never speak of it again!

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:14 am

THIS GUY LOVES APPLE

http://mikemchargue.com/2006/10/dont-buy-mac.html

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