microkontrol - native or not?

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LOFA
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Post by LOFA » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:20 am

johnpitcairn wrote:
LOFA wrote:Could you expand on this procedure or direct us to a link in your forum?
Er ... you own LC Xmu and a microKONTROL, I would assume you know how it works...

Yes, it's Mackie Control emulation for the MK or K49, but the unit doesn't do a decent MC emulation by itself (it can only do MC buttons), so LC Xmu kicks it into native mode and works with the resulting ugly sysex, which gets you a bunch of good stuff:

True endless relative encoders for jump-free parameter control.

Soft takeover on the faders for jump-free parameter control.

Pads emulate MC buttons, with LEDs lit to indicate state. Pads can be bypassed to send notes (default is MPC preset 1 pad notes).

Six control buttons (setting, message, etc) emulate MC buttons, with LEDs lit to indicate state.

Keyboard notes are passed thru, but can be used to emulate additional MC buttons if desired.

The MC LCD screen is replicated on the MK/K49 LCDs, so you get realtime parameter names above the encoders. The LCDs attempt to automatically show the top or bottom line of the MC LCD as appropriate (and this behaviour can be customised), or by user-controlled switching.

MC-emulation can be bypassed to send regular notes (pads) and CCs (faders/encoders), change keyboard channel, send program/bank changes, and you can drop out of native mode entirely to use regular Korg "scenes", then re-enter native mode MC-emulation.

To edit a VST plugin in Live using the KONTROL via LC Xmu:

1 - Select the desired track with the emulated "select" buttons (pads 1-8, selected one lights up), or the mouse/keyboard.

2 - Press the emulated "devices" button (pad 14, which lights up).

3 - Press and release the "modifier" button (exit) to switch the LCD top/bottom row on the MK screens. Bottom row will show current devices for the current track (holding "devices" down will also show the bottom row). The emulated page down/up buttons (pads 15/16) will step through groups of 8 devices.

4 - Use "mode rotate" (joystick down, or just modifier + pad 5) to flip thru LC Xmu modes to "vselect", which puts the emulated v-select buttons (MC v-pot push) on pads 1-8. LC Xmu modes allow 8 pads to emulate up to 80 MC buttons.

5 - Press the appropriate emulated "v-select" button (now pad 1-8) to select the device to edit.

Then the emulated page down/up buttons will step through 8 parameters of the device at a time.

Parameters are edited using the endless encoders, jump-free. Pressing v-select flips switch parameters between on/off, or resets continuous parameters to their default.

The faders normally control volume for the current bank of 8 tracks. Pressing the emulated bank left/right buttons (hex lock and enter) moves through the mixer 8 channels at a time.

To switch to another device on the selected track, press "device" again, followed by the appropriate v-select. To switch back to pan on the encoders, press "pan" (pad 13).

All MK-to-MC assignments are editable if desired.

Once you learn how the MC works with Live, it becomes pretty fast, you always have the parameters on the MK LCD screens, and the workflow never changes, even when you add/remove plugins, switch songs, acquire new plugins, trash prefs, whatever.

You never need to midi-learn anything in Live, unless you want to (set the control to "pass through" in LC Xmu and learn that via the LC Xmu passthrough port).
I would really like to see when I have a chance what kind of manipulations your app can perform on an sl25 remote.
There's no dedicated support for the SL's automapping in LC Xmu, so it will just function as a dumb MC emulation, ie you don't get MC parameter names updating on the SL screens. I'm prepared to investigate this possibility, but frankly, I'd have to purchase a unit, and I'm not exactly inundated with users asking for SL support.
Hi. I do apreciate the breakdown. I haven't been sleeping much this week. Haven't even used my new copy of live yet, though I did produce 80 slicon/rubber/plaster castsings in the last few days...


Aaagh!

Aaggh!!!!

With regards to the sl 25: I would be intereseted with what you are capable of doing with this setup. That's all.

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Post by deepfunktribal » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:49 pm

which take-over mode do u use with microkontrol ? it has faders and endless knobs...

johnpitcairn
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Post by johnpitcairn » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:39 pm

deepfunktribal wrote:which take-over mode do u use with microkontrol ? it has faders and endless knobs...
If you're asking me, none. LC Xmu handles it via native mode.
LC Xmu Logic/Mackie Control emulation, LC Xview software LC/MC display,
Logic environments & stuff: http://www.opuslocus.com

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