Is Electronic Music Dying or Growing?

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Is Electronic Music Dying or Growing?

Growing
68
77%
Dying
20
23%
 
Total votes: 88

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Post by kuniklo » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:03 am

forge wrote:maybe a bit like computer graphics in movies - it really has in the last 5 years gone from cheesy looking obviously fake cartoony animation (even star wars attack of the clones was let down by that watery planet with the clone armies - it just looked too fake by George Lucas usual standards) t5o now being able to actually create real believable stuff, and on quite a basic level - and that real suspension of disbelief is when the real fun starts
The paradox here is that the closer you get to reality the more every little glitch sticks out. Consider the flop that the Final Fantasy full length movie turned out to be. Easily the most realistic and believable humans in CG yet, but they were so close that all their flaws glared. They didn't move quite like real people, their hair was just a touch off, etc etc. Meanwhile, everybody loves the more cartoonish stuff because all that brain hardware they've got programmed to deal with real people isn't triggered.

Personally I'm getting less and less excited about all the new sonic possibilities new tools bring us. You're still making music for a human listener and there's only so much the human brain can take in and appreciate at once. If you pour all your energy into the kind of timbral complexity modern tools allow you, you have to compensate by writing simpler melodies and harmonies and backing off on the rhythms a bit. You can take a Richard Devine sort of approach and pack every bar full of information at every level but I seriously doubt there's every going to be much of audience for this. A big part of the reason people can absorb the complexity of a lot of classical music is that the individual instruments are familiar enough to stay in the background of our attention.

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Post by kuniklo » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:08 am

Angstrom wrote: Everything in our world has a sheen of 'in-time' robot slickness now, everything has a vague hint of aliasing noise and the whir of cameras.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that's been feeling this way. Technology, as always, is a double-edged sword. It empowers us and imprisons us at the same time. I wonder if kids today even recognize the difference?

All the science fiction scenarios of cyborgs and computer implants are way too exotic. The man/machine hybrid is coming but it will exist at a cognitive level. We'll gradually delegate more and more of our thought process to computer assistants of various kinds until some kind of symbiosis occurs. The spell checker was the first step down a long road.

Software music is a perfect example of this. The more opportunities you have to revise and revisit every creative decision the less you come to depend on your intuition and instinct and the more you're already working in tandem with the technology in a way musicians of most of the 20th century wouldn't recognize.

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Post by GaryTracks » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:37 am

ELECTRONIC MUSIC??

What is that?? What is it that is "dying or growing"

It's not about dance music or pop music or the avant garde. These forms have always been and will always be there. They die off in one form and morph into a new one. These musics are becoming more artistic and entertaining and creative every year (maybe not the pop!).

What is growing, is this:

The LAPTOP has become a true musical instrument/axe (for live performance). Or more correctly, the MULTI-TRACK RECORDING STUDIO, has become a true live musical instrument/axe.

Why is it a musical instrument? Because with it we can respond to and communicate with other players, help shape the flow and direction of the performance, following or creating the peaks and valleys,listening and responding....using track mutes, eq kills, efx, tempo and choice of clips. Sounds like a musicians' tool to me!!

Now, you could do that before, with a mixing board, and a groove box/looper, but ??????? Live and a laptop is a whole other animal!!

Its so much about the ALIVENESS that comes from veering more and more from pre-arrangement.
Improvising in realtime with real life-energy in present tense = that wonderful special feeling of seeing musicians' joy and juju on stage

Unlike the 90's dance music fusions or 70's-80's jazz-rock fusions, this fusion (laptop + instruments + dance or electronica + other various styles of music + improvisation)is goin to be, as a previous poster said, like moving into the late 60's, where there was truly radical fusions of music. Add to that "these turbulent times" and you get a cookin' pot.

LAPTOPS ROCK!!

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Post by tomperson » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:31 pm

forge wrote:
I think the new thing in electronic music will be for people to forget all about the seperation between electronic and guitar based music that happend in the 90s and just make music again
Lately, I've been thinking exactly that. Go back to my roots up to some point. Embrace all the ideas and concepts that i've learned regarding electronica, and just put them to work on a more open scheme, letting in guitars and voices and such, but with a twist. Not guitars+electronica. Not electronica+guitars. Something that breathes on its own. Bigger than the sum of its parts. :D
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Post by Austen Powers » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:40 pm

I predict the kazoo will make a big come back along with the accordion.
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Post by subterFUSE » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:51 pm

Austen Powers wrote:I predict the kazoo will make a big come back along with the accordion.

Along with the Jaw Harp, and the Spoons. :lol:

And don't forget the Milk Jug.
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Post by sweetjesus » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:01 pm

GaryTracks wrote:ELECTRONIC MUSIC??
These musics are becoming more artistic and entertaining and creative every year (maybe not the pop!).
i was about to chime in on this thread without having read any of the posts, but im glad i did because you totally got what i was about to say.

this is the main point, its becoming more entertaining. .. electronic music is slowly starting to be fun for the audience as they can participate in a more direct relationship with the dj or performer than before.

people are understanding what they like about electronic music .. over the next decade or so we will see a declind in people calling all dance music techno the same way as all guitar based music isn't heavy metal.

its also becoming more fun for the average punter to check out electronic acts because more 'performers' and more talented musicians and writers have come to the fold and its not music for the ecstacy or lsd folk anymore... i can have a beer and kick it to some pumpin tunes and in fact prefer going out straight than all fucked up (leave that for the other times).

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Post by mikemc » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:09 pm

some really insightful replies to this, way cool. Of course I was pretty sure that "Growing" would get more votes on this forum, but it was the percentage of "Dying" and reasons to that end I wanted to see.

Fwiw, by electronic music I meant what most everyone interpreted: music that centers around electronic sounds, not music that employs electronic production techniques, and not music that had to be dance or club music.

One thing I was thinking was that popular/mainstream music is borrowing so heavily from electronic at this point that the boundary is growing less and less clear, that this assmiliation is kind of a simlutaneous 'dying' and 'growing' of electronic music (see the thread about tommy lee doing electro...).
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