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Post by deva » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:59 pm

rtopia wrote:
deva wrote: May be another civil war brewing in the US.
and if there really isn't - I'm sure you'll find a way to pull up a bunch of links to information that support the idea that the civil war has already begun.

Dividing the country may not be a bad idea.

Maybe a better division between those of us who actually aren't ashamed to be American and those who would rather start a new country period.

I know it's popular to slam the religious.
(in most cases they really bring it on themselves).

BUT...

Why is it that you don't have a problem with the way the Venezulan Cochina Boy invoked God all over the place last week?

- r
I think Chavez likes to hear himself talk a bit too much. Lots of people have egos, but if he is doing something useful, and I believe he is, then so what. It is the monotheists who are looking for some perfect savior to save them.

I am not opposed to religion or the religious. I am opposed to having a single religion pushed upon everyone. In otherwords, I think the separation of church and state is a good thing.

And I do not think a US civil war has started, or that it will happen for sure. I do see an increasing polarization that if it continues, will make the likelihood greater.

Ironically, it is the blue states which give welfare money to the red states. Perhaps it is time for the northeast and west coast to stop funding the red states which have such hatred for progressive values. I certainly don't want my tax money going to some asshole who hangs out on freerepublic saying that I should be killed.

There is a growing impulse in the pacific northwest to secede from the US. I think it is a good idea. I would not call it a movement yet, but there is a clear but mostly unspoken understanding that the federal government is hopelessly corrupt and that we are on our own. I would say a surprising percentage of people recognize that we would be better off as our own country.

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Post by knotkranky » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:44 pm

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines

Negative Ads a Positive in GOP Strategy

Hoping to deflect attention from Iraq, candidates unleash personal attacks. They get voters' attention, consultants say.

By Janet Hook
Times Staff Writer

September 26, 2006

WASHINGTON — Sinister characters are scheming in a smoke-filled room, in a television ad that depicts big campaign contributors to Bob Casey, a Democrat running for Senate in Pennsylvania.

After detailing the legal troubles that each donor faces — including an FBI investigation and jail time — the somber narrator asks, "Where does Casey hold his campaign meetings?"

The camera pulls back to show the cigar-smoking "campaign team" — behind bars.

That graphic, personal attack on the candidate challenging Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) is a particularly sharp-edged example of a key strategy in the Republican political arsenal as the party fights to keep control of Congress: going negative and personal, early and often.

While President Bush and national GOP leaders are attacking Democrats on such big issues as national security and America's role in the world, individual Republicans are hitting their opponents hard — below the belt, some critics say — on personal and local issues.

Negative campaigning is hardly new, and Democrats are dishing dirt against Republicans too. But mudslinging is crucial to the Republican plan for this year's midterm elections, because the party's hold on power will probably hinge on shifting attention from the unpopular war in Iraq and other national issues that cut against them.

"When people are looking at national issues that are not breaking our way, what you want to do is focus on your opponent," said Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), a former Republican National Committee chief of staff. "You've got to play the field's conditions. They demand very tough tactics."

Cole spelled out that approach in a recent strategy memo to House Republicans: "Define your opponent immediately and unrelentingly…. Do not let up — keep the tough ads running right up to election day. Don't make the mistake of pulling your ads in favor of a positive rotation the last weekend."

Republican incumbents this year began running attack ads earlier than ever. But the hardest-hitting are yet to come.

"You haven't seen the majority of the negative ads yet," said Carl Forti, spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, where a staff of 10 has been deployed on opposition research.

The strategy rests on the widely held belief that negative political ads make more of an impression on voters than positive ones.

GOP consultant Terry Nelson said current voter cynicism may be particularly fertile ground for negative advertising because voters expect the worst from politicians.

"Voters are in some ways more ready to accept the negative about politicians" than the positive, Nelson said. "They often say they would like to see a more reasoned debate in campaigns and more talk about the ideas, but in fact they often respond to negative ads because they tend to find them more credible."

Republican incumbents have moved aggressively to shape early perceptions of their Democratic challengers.

Democratic strategist Peter Fenn said: "You have a blackboard that's not written on very much — what Republicans are trying to do is write all over that blackboard in great big letters before the challengers have a chance to write on it."

In one of the most competitive House races, Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.) sent about a dozen mailings attacking Democrat Lois Murphy before Labor Day. He aired an ad in August portraying her as a fearsome liberal who wants to raise taxes. His latest ad accuses her of sending illegal campaign mailings, which she denies.

The National Republican Congressional Committee first took to the airwaves back in June. Its first television ad was against Brad Ellsworth, a Democratic sheriff who has mounted a strong challenge to Rep. John Hostettler (R-Ind.). The ad accused Ellsworth of neglecting his duties as sheriff because his department inadvertently released a suspected child rapist — featured in a grainy mug shot — while the Democrat was campaigning in Washington.

Also in Indiana, GOP Rep. Chris Chocola has been on the air for months hammering his Democratic opponent, lawyer and businessman Joe Donnelly. Chocola did not just use the standard GOP line of painting Donnelly as a tax-and-spend liberal; GOP researchers also combed through county tax records and found that Donnelly had been delinquent on his property taxes 15 times.

"Joe Donnelly wants to raise our taxes," a Chocola TV ad said in August. "Even worse, he's delinquent paying his own."

In New Mexico, Republican Rep. Heather A. Wilson tried to slow the early momentum of her Democratic challenger, state Atty. Gen. Patricia Madrid, with a tough negative ad. She attacked Madrid's performance as the state's top law officer at a time when corruption scandals spread through the state's upper echelons.

Amy Walter, an analyst with the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, said that ad helped shift the focus of the campaign from Democrats' charges that Wilson is a rubber stamp for Bush, who is unpopular in the swing district.

"For Wilson, by going on the attack, the goal was to make the debate about the two candidates rather than a referendum on the current environment," Walter said. "It succeeded in that."

Madrid may have cut her losses by quickly fighting back with an ad not only defending herself but linking Wilson to resigned House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

It remains to be seen whether the GOP barrage will do lasting damage, especially since Madrid and other Democrats have made a concerted effort to respond aggressively. Ellsworth countered with an ad attacking Hostettler's record on crime; Donnelly pointed out that Chocola was also once late in paying taxes; Murphy aired an ad challenging Gerlach's claim to be independent of Bush.

Some political operatives say the impact of attack ads may be evident not in today's polls but on election day. Evan Tracey, head of Campaign Media Analysis Group, said negative ads often depressed turnout among voters who might otherwise have supported the candidate under attack.

That underscores why attack ads may be particularly important to Republicans' strategy: Many polls show that Democrats are generally more motivated than Republicans to vote this fall.

But the strategy carries risks: Some voters react badly to a candidate who is seen as smearing another unfairly.

"You're surrounding yourself with live bombs and lighting fuses when you go down this road," said Republican strategist Eddie Mahe Jr. "It is very, very risky."

Some critics say Santorum risks backlash from his ad suggesting that Casey consorts with crooks. The ad uses actors to depict Casey donors, claiming that several are under investigation, one was charged with extortion and another was sentenced to two years in jail. No names are mentioned in the ad, but the Santorum campaign has produced a 70-page document to back up its claims about seven Casey contributors.

G. Terry Madonna, director of the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., sees the ad as an effort to shake up the race because six weeks of positive ads about Santorum had failed to erase Casey's lead in the polls.

"I think it's over the top," Madonna said. "I think it is unfair."

He said the people in question — whom the ad calls Casey's "campaign team" — donated to previous Casey campaigns but were not working on or contributing to his current campaign.

In fact, two of the seven have also donated to Santorum. One of the seven is dead. And though the ad puts the group behind bars, only one of the seven went to jail.

Santorum spokeswoman Virginia Davis said the ad provided important information about Casey at a time when polls showed that about a third of Pennsylvania voters still did not know enough about Casey to have an opinion about him.

"This ad is about character," said Davis.

"It is important that voters know the kinds of people he is surrounding himself with."

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:08 pm

if you don't know the 'other' definition of Santorum, the US citizens named something after him.

Warning, it ain't pretty (no pictures on this page, just an urban dictionary entry.)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=santorum

Not to be mistaken for klitty litter.

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Post by knotkranky » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:24 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote:if you don't know the 'other' definition of Santorum, the US citizens named something after him.

Warning, it ain't pretty (no pictures on this page, just an urban dictionary entry.)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=santorum

Not to be mistaken for klitty litter.
:lol:

Ok so, like this:


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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:39 pm

lmfao!!! That's as visual of an explanation that I'd ever care to see.

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Post by knotkranky » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:07 pm

Yeah baby, keep it coming America. Keep it coming overseas friends. It's working, we've got the Bushies on the run. Vote vote vote and run them out. Feel the power? I do. Bush and friends are going to be real nervous November 7. This is our chance to turn the tables and be their worst nightmare.


Inroads Into GOP Country
Democrats find control of Congress within their grasp as more and more seats appear to be in serious contention, even in solidly red states.
By Janet Hook
Times Staff Writer

October 19, 2006

WASHINGTON — America does not get much more Republican than Idaho. President Bush pulled in 68% of the vote in 2004, and the state has an all-GOP congressional delegation.

But to keep one of Idaho's House seats in Republican hands, the national GOP in recent weeks has poured in hundreds of thousands of dollars for television ads and brought in a parade of party bigwigs to campaign.

Such a huge effort in a district that should be a cakewalk for Republicans is a measure of how deep into GOP territory the fight for control of Congress has reached.

Over the last two months, the number of House Republican seats in serious contention has jumped week by week, giving Democrats an ever-bigger target to shoot at in their quest for a majority. Even a top Republican strategist estimates that the number of highly vulnerable Republican seats has more than doubled in recent weeks — and now far exceeds the 15 seats Democrats need to pick up to win a House majority.

"Things look very bad for them now," GOP pollster Frank Luntz said of Republican prospects. "There used to be 15 races that were vulnerable, then it was 20…. Today you'd say 35 seats are in play."

Whole thing http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... nes-nation

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:16 pm

knotkranky wrote:Yeah baby, keep it coming America. Keep it coming overseas friends. It's working, we've got the Bushies on the run. Vote vote vote and run them out. Feel the power? I do. Bush and friends are going to be real nervous November 7. This is our chance to turn the tables and be their worst nightmare.


Inroads Into GOP Country
Democrats find control of Congress within their grasp as more and more seats appear to be in serious contention, even in solidly red states.
By Janet Hook
Times Staff Writer

October 19, 2006

WASHINGTON — America does not get much more Republican than Idaho. President Bush pulled in 68% of the vote in 2004, and the state has an all-GOP congressional delegation.

But to keep one of Idaho's House seats in Republican hands, the national GOP in recent weeks has poured in hundreds of thousands of dollars for television ads and brought in a parade of party bigwigs to campaign.

Such a huge effort in a district that should be a cakewalk for Republicans is a measure of how deep into GOP territory the fight for control of Congress has reached.

Over the last two months, the number of House Republican seats in serious contention has jumped week by week, giving Democrats an ever-bigger target to shoot at in their quest for a majority. Even a top Republican strategist estimates that the number of highly vulnerable Republican seats has more than doubled in recent weeks — and now far exceeds the 15 seats Democrats need to pick up to win a House majority.

"Things look very bad for them now," GOP pollster Frank Luntz said of Republican prospects. "There used to be 15 races that were vulnerable, then it was 20…. Today you'd say 35 seats are in play."

Whole thing http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... nes-nation
Sucks to be a republican ah?

2 things I'd hate to be in this day and age in America

a republican or a muslim
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Post by D K » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:29 pm

i can't be bothered to read all this...
one thing is for sure...
voting either republican or democrat isn't going to solve a damn thing.

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Post by err_eur » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:34 pm

deva wrote: May be another civil war brewing in the US.
yeah, but unfortunately, the meatheads outnumber those with any sense around here. Even otherwise intelligent people seem to support Bush and the war and believe all of the BS. Plus they love violence, unlike us "pacifist liberal hippies...." who don't even own guns.

I need to move back out west, people are just generally operating on a higher level there.....excluding NYC....the east and Midwest are full of redneck shitheads.....

besides, i think the damage is done......I doubt the "democrats" could bail us out at this point...only one way to go, it seems.....

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Post by knotkranky » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:47 pm

err_eur wrote:
deva wrote: May be another civil war brewing in the US.
yeah, but unfortunately, the meatheads outnumber those with any sense around here. Even otherwise intelligent people seem to support Bush and the war and believe all of the BS. Plus they love violence, unlike us "pacifist liberal hippies...." who don't even own guns.

I need to move back out west, people are just generally operating on a higher level there.....excluding NYC....the east and Midwest are full of redneck shitheads.....

besides, i think the damage is done......I doubt the "democrats" could bail us out at this point...only one way to go, it seems.....
No Dem bail out? I agree. Yes, there is only one way to go and it will help many American's and the worlds population personally. New hope, defined or not is a good thing. We are rotting on bush's vine. Clearly, anything else will be better than what's going on. A no brainer. I also agree that the big cities are simply more evolved and worldly. Middle America should spend a month traveling europe.

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Post by knotkranky » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:59 pm

D K wrote:i can't be bothered to read all this...
one thing is for sure...
voting either republican or democrat isn't going to solve a damn thing.
No, that's not right. If bush had lost in 2000, things would have been very different. 911 "may" have happened anyway with Gore. But the response would have been much, much better. This reality will always be true with choices. We have them, and they do make a difference.

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Post by subterFUSE » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:08 pm

knotkranky wrote:
D K wrote:i can't be bothered to read all this...
one thing is for sure...
voting either republican or democrat isn't going to solve a damn thing.
No, that's not right. If bush had lost in 2000, things would have been very different. 911 "may" have happened anyway with Gore. But the response would have been much, much better. This reality will always be true with choices. We have them, and they do make a difference.
The response with Gore would have been to do nothing, just like Clinton did... and then we would have been attacked again, and again.

We haven't been attacked since 9/11, and I credit that directly to Bush.
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Post by Meef Chaloin » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:19 pm

kranky im still curious about this choice you talk about. Is it not well known that Bush cheated his way in. Twice?
Have you heard of Bohemian Grove? Freemasons? Skull & Bones? These organisations cross party divisions, they are the party. Things with Gore would probably have been better but then he would have never got in. Bush was prepped all his life to for those elections in 2000, in a way it was his destiny, or at least his father made sure it was destiny & not just a hope.
The thing is there are politics deeper than the public eye can see, there is no real choice. The president is SELECTED not ELECTED.

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Post by subterFUSE » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:21 pm

Meef Chaloin wrote:kranky im still curious about this choice you talk about. Is it not well known that Bush cheated his way in. Twice?
Have you heard of Bohemian Grove? Freemasons? Skull & Bones? These organisations cross party divisions, they are the party. Things with Gore would probably have been better but then he would have never got in. Bush was prepped all his life to for those elections in 2000, in a way it was his destiny, or at least his father made sure it was destiny & not just a hope.
The thing is there are politics deeper than the public eye can see, there is no real choice. The president is SELECTED not ELECTED.

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My granddad was a freemason. It was a whole bunch of nothing. :lol:
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Post by Meef Chaloin » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:23 pm

subterFUSE wrote:We haven't been attacked since 9/11, and I credit that directly to Bush.
that's one line of reasoning, there are many many others, Its funny though, i credit Bush for the exact opposite, if it wasnt for Bush you wouldn't have been attacked on 11/09. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter :D

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