Thank you brother.
It's not my place to say what to vote for, though some of us will try. What is most important is that we do vote. If we all vote, the power is ours.
Believe what you believe and act with your vote.
Be counted November 7.
ot..... The Dumbocrats and Repugnicans show. Too F'd up ?
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Bush chides father for election remarks 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush gently admonished his father for saying he hates to think what life would be like for his son if the Democrats win control of Congress in the November 7 election.
It was the latest sign of possible strain in the relationship between the two men.
"He shouldn't be speculating like this, because -- he should have called me ahead of time and I'd tell him they're not going to (win)," a smiling Bush told ABC "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday.
It follows the recent release of a book, "State of Denial," by journalist Bob Woodward, that says the 82-year-old former president was "anguished" over how the Iraq war has played out, although he has dismissed that account.
Earlier this month, the elder Bush was reported to have told a Republican fundraiser in a Philadelphia suburb that "if we have some of these wild Democrats in charge of these (congressional) committees, it will be a ghastly thing for our country."
He was also quoted as saying, "I would hate to think ... what my son's life would be like" if their Republican Party lost its majorities.
The two men have rarely appeared together in public in recent years. But they praised each other at the October 7 christening of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, named the USS George H.W. Bush, after the 41st president.
Although the elder Bush has said his job is to stay on the sidelines, that did not stop him from raising a warning about the prospects for a Democratic takeover of Congress.
Asked whether he had thought about the possibility, the younger Bush told ABC: "Not really ... I'm a person that believes we'll continue to control the House and the Senate."
Polls show Democrats running ahead. They must pick up 15 House seats and six Senate seats to take over Congress.
A power shift would create a political nightmare for Bush, whose public approval ratings are below 40 percent. His domestic legislative agenda would be stymied and he would see stepped-up pressure to withdraw from Iraq while possibly facing congressional investigations into the unpopular war.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Bush gently admonished his father for saying he hates to think what life would be like for his son if the Democrats win control of Congress in the November 7 election.
It was the latest sign of possible strain in the relationship between the two men.
"He shouldn't be speculating like this, because -- he should have called me ahead of time and I'd tell him they're not going to (win)," a smiling Bush told ABC "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday.
It follows the recent release of a book, "State of Denial," by journalist Bob Woodward, that says the 82-year-old former president was "anguished" over how the Iraq war has played out, although he has dismissed that account.
Earlier this month, the elder Bush was reported to have told a Republican fundraiser in a Philadelphia suburb that "if we have some of these wild Democrats in charge of these (congressional) committees, it will be a ghastly thing for our country."
He was also quoted as saying, "I would hate to think ... what my son's life would be like" if their Republican Party lost its majorities.
The two men have rarely appeared together in public in recent years. But they praised each other at the October 7 christening of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, named the USS George H.W. Bush, after the 41st president.
Although the elder Bush has said his job is to stay on the sidelines, that did not stop him from raising a warning about the prospects for a Democratic takeover of Congress.
Asked whether he had thought about the possibility, the younger Bush told ABC: "Not really ... I'm a person that believes we'll continue to control the House and the Senate."
Polls show Democrats running ahead. They must pick up 15 House seats and six Senate seats to take over Congress.
A power shift would create a political nightmare for Bush, whose public approval ratings are below 40 percent. His domestic legislative agenda would be stymied and he would see stepped-up pressure to withdraw from Iraq while possibly facing congressional investigations into the unpopular war.
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Commentary: Letter is bid to intimidate Latino voters
POSTED: 10:16 a.m. EDT, October 23, 2006
By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Special to CNN
SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- What we have here is an attempt to intimidate.
There is no question that was the intent behind a toxic letter sent to an estimated 14,000 Spanish-surnamed voters in Southern California's Orange County. Just as there is no question that the letter came from the campaign of Republican congressional candidate Tan Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant who hopes to defeat Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-California, in the November 7 election.
Written in Spanish, the letter threatens: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time."
The only question is whether Nguyen authorized the mailing, or whether he's telling the truth in blaming the whole mess on a renegade staffer who has since been dismissed.
Calling the letter "grotesque and obnoxious," Orange County Republican Party Chairman Scott Baugh is convinced that Nguyen orchestrated the whole thing. Baugh claims the mail house that sent the letter told him that Nguyen was personally involved in the mailing. The local GOP has asked Nguyen to resign his candidacy, saying through a spokesman that the candidate is "not a welcome member of our party."
whole thing http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/23/navarrette/index.html
POSTED: 10:16 a.m. EDT, October 23, 2006
By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Special to CNN
SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- What we have here is an attempt to intimidate.
There is no question that was the intent behind a toxic letter sent to an estimated 14,000 Spanish-surnamed voters in Southern California's Orange County. Just as there is no question that the letter came from the campaign of Republican congressional candidate Tan Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant who hopes to defeat Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-California, in the November 7 election.
Written in Spanish, the letter threatens: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time."
The only question is whether Nguyen authorized the mailing, or whether he's telling the truth in blaming the whole mess on a renegade staffer who has since been dismissed.
Calling the letter "grotesque and obnoxious," Orange County Republican Party Chairman Scott Baugh is convinced that Nguyen orchestrated the whole thing. Baugh claims the mail house that sent the letter told him that Nguyen was personally involved in the mailing. The local GOP has asked Nguyen to resign his candidacy, saying through a spokesman that the candidate is "not a welcome member of our party."
whole thing http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/23/navarrette/index.html
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Ok, it's time to vote tomorrow. Got your ballots and id ready? Me too.
I want nothing more than to give the bush administration a democratic sweep and the worst two years of their lives. Oh baby!! c'mon! We're gonna get our American balls back November 8th. YEAH!!!!
Two parties far apart in turnout tactics too
The GOP uses precision pitches; Democrats try to exploit broad unease.
By Peter Wallsten and Tom Hamburger
Times Staff Writers
November 6, 2006
BOCA RATON, FLA. — Jewish voters received a pamphlet about Israel's fight with Hezbollah. Spanish speakers heard radio ads about Fidel Castro. Seniors got recorded telephone calls from crooner Pat Boone, now 72, about Social Security.
As Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. (R-Fla.) fights to keep his seat in Congress, he is drawing heavily from the Republican playbook of dividing voters by their backgrounds and interests and appealing to them with tailored pitches. His success — along with his party's hopes for hanging onto its congressional majorities — relies in part on databases and search tools used to identify sympathetic voters and move them to the polls.
Shaw's Democratic challenger has a far different strategy. Instead of specialized appeals, state legislator Ron Klein repeats a simple message to nearly every audience: Iraq is a mess, and it is time for a change.
That contrast underscores a central question to be answered Tuesday in this South Florida House district and other competitive races across the country: Which political force will prove stronger — the niche-marketing effort, led by GOP strategist Karl Rove and powered by computerized outreach methods, or the classic "throw the bums out" mood of an electorate uneasy with the Iraq war and unhappy with one-party rule?
"We'll find out soon," said Klein as he walked through one of the many affluent neighborhoods in this seaside district, trying to persuade voters to oust an incumbent who has served in Congress for a quarter-century.
As the two campaigns make their final appeals, the differences suggest that many of the advantages that have boosted Republicans to victory in the past — more money, redrawn congressional districts and the superior voter targeting demonstrated by Shaw's courtship of Jews, Latinos and seniors — may be less potent this time.
The moderate 22nd District is one of three in Florida alone considered vulnerable for the GOP. Nationwide, about three dozen House races are competitive. To control the House, Democrats need to gain 15 seats; for the Senate, they must pick up six.
Shaw began the campaign with an arsenal typical of GOP incumbents, including a head start on fund-raising. But voter anger and a sense among donors that Democrats could control Congress have put Klein close to financial parity.
Now, the race is considered winnable for the Democrats, and Shaw's best hope comes from the GOP strategy of narrow-casting and voter identification.
whole thing http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... -headlines
I want nothing more than to give the bush administration a democratic sweep and the worst two years of their lives. Oh baby!! c'mon! We're gonna get our American balls back November 8th. YEAH!!!!
Two parties far apart in turnout tactics too
The GOP uses precision pitches; Democrats try to exploit broad unease.
By Peter Wallsten and Tom Hamburger
Times Staff Writers
November 6, 2006
BOCA RATON, FLA. — Jewish voters received a pamphlet about Israel's fight with Hezbollah. Spanish speakers heard radio ads about Fidel Castro. Seniors got recorded telephone calls from crooner Pat Boone, now 72, about Social Security.
As Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. (R-Fla.) fights to keep his seat in Congress, he is drawing heavily from the Republican playbook of dividing voters by their backgrounds and interests and appealing to them with tailored pitches. His success — along with his party's hopes for hanging onto its congressional majorities — relies in part on databases and search tools used to identify sympathetic voters and move them to the polls.
Shaw's Democratic challenger has a far different strategy. Instead of specialized appeals, state legislator Ron Klein repeats a simple message to nearly every audience: Iraq is a mess, and it is time for a change.
That contrast underscores a central question to be answered Tuesday in this South Florida House district and other competitive races across the country: Which political force will prove stronger — the niche-marketing effort, led by GOP strategist Karl Rove and powered by computerized outreach methods, or the classic "throw the bums out" mood of an electorate uneasy with the Iraq war and unhappy with one-party rule?
"We'll find out soon," said Klein as he walked through one of the many affluent neighborhoods in this seaside district, trying to persuade voters to oust an incumbent who has served in Congress for a quarter-century.
As the two campaigns make their final appeals, the differences suggest that many of the advantages that have boosted Republicans to victory in the past — more money, redrawn congressional districts and the superior voter targeting demonstrated by Shaw's courtship of Jews, Latinos and seniors — may be less potent this time.
The moderate 22nd District is one of three in Florida alone considered vulnerable for the GOP. Nationwide, about three dozen House races are competitive. To control the House, Democrats need to gain 15 seats; for the Senate, they must pick up six.
Shaw began the campaign with an arsenal typical of GOP incumbents, including a head start on fund-raising. But voter anger and a sense among donors that Democrats could control Congress have put Klein close to financial parity.
Now, the race is considered winnable for the Democrats, and Shaw's best hope comes from the GOP strategy of narrow-casting and voter identification.
whole thing http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... -headlines
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Shaw's Democratic challenger has a far different strategy. Instead of specialized appeals, state legislator Ron Klein repeats a simple message to nearly every audience: Iraq is a mess, and it is time for a change.
And of course, we hear nothing about what dems would do differently. We just hear.... "time for change." But nothing about what that "Change" would entail.
It's the same story as before.... John Kerry says... "I have a plan." "I really want to tell you about my plan." "I hope I get a chance to tell you about my plan." "If you go to my website, you can read about my plan."
Well... I was listening for it. I even went to his website. Never saw any "plan" to speak of.... just like there isn't any democrat plan to speak of today.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter though. If the dems sweep, the effect will be minimal. In fact, the stock market might even go higher if there is a deadlock in the Capitol... The economy is doing so well, and if there is a deadlock then that just means nothing is going to change. The market would react well to that at this point.
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why do you say it is doing well? Type 'american economy' in to google news & it seems to tell a different story - http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?ie=UTF-8 ... %20economysubterFUSE wrote:The economy is doing so well, and if there is a deadlock then that just means nothing is going to change. The market would react well to that at this point.
A quote from one regarding Jan Hatzius, chief U.S. economist for Goldman Sachs:
"it has been reported that Jan Hatzius, chief U.S. economist for Goldman Sachs, apparently thinks that there is a 33 per cent chance of the US economy sliding into a consumer-led recession. He reasons that a housing slump would reduce consumer spending which in turn would cause the economy to sink into recession. This line of thought is based on the fact that consumer spending makes up about 70 per cent of GDP."
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Meef, yeah, i think you are right on that. Though i've read Snr isn't happy with junior's war. I wonder if it's some bs though. His boy f'd it up real bad. I wonder If he is like; "No way dad, I'm doin' it my way, get out of my face" as he slams his bedroom door. And Cheney omg.
sF, yes the dems have too many plans in too many directions. This is normal. The repubs have a plan, and they have had a plan. They've had everything they needed to enact their plan. How valuable can one plan be when it got us stuck in this gigantic mess. Isn't it obvious their plan sucks? And what little good economy we have, is not for most in this country who deserve it. Housing is a better litmus than nasdaq. You can have Kerry.
All those forces are driven by the war. It's the war. Our government was hijacked 6 years ago and hundreds of thousands are dead and 3 times that maimed all based on the biggest, most brazen in your (300 million) face lie ever sold from the very top of our government. I'm in a perpetual state of shock. Most people don't want to believe it cause it's so ugly and sickening. But it's true!
Just to save what little face this country has, we need to show that we can kick our governments ass when needed.
Yes, the dems are not angels, but they will roast GW over a bbq spit for two years if they sweep. I'll bring the cole slaw.
sF, yes the dems have too many plans in too many directions. This is normal. The repubs have a plan, and they have had a plan. They've had everything they needed to enact their plan. How valuable can one plan be when it got us stuck in this gigantic mess. Isn't it obvious their plan sucks? And what little good economy we have, is not for most in this country who deserve it. Housing is a better litmus than nasdaq. You can have Kerry.
All those forces are driven by the war. It's the war. Our government was hijacked 6 years ago and hundreds of thousands are dead and 3 times that maimed all based on the biggest, most brazen in your (300 million) face lie ever sold from the very top of our government. I'm in a perpetual state of shock. Most people don't want to believe it cause it's so ugly and sickening. But it's true!
Just to save what little face this country has, we need to show that we can kick our governments ass when needed.
Yes, the dems are not angels, but they will roast GW over a bbq spit for two years if they sweep. I'll bring the cole slaw.
Happy to say I already voted - and I'm happy to say I didn't vote for a Republican nor a Democrat --- Going Green in 2006!
I did vote the 4 foot rule down - in Washington they have a thing on the ballot that would prohibit strippers from getting within 4 feet of you...that'st he dumbest thing I've ever voted for, except the 2004 elections - that was pretty dumb too.
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I did vote the 4 foot rule down - in Washington they have a thing on the ballot that would prohibit strippers from getting within 4 feet of you...that'st he dumbest thing I've ever voted for, except the 2004 elections - that was pretty dumb too.
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knotkranky wrote:Meef, yeah, i think you are right on that. Though i've read Snr isn't happy with junior's war. I wonder if it's some bs though. His boy f'd it up real bad. I wonder If he is like; "No way dad, I'm doin' it my way, get out of my face" as he slams his bedroom door. And Cheney omg.
sF, yes the dems have too many plans in too many directions. This is normal. The repubs have a plan, and they have had a plan. They've had everything they needed to enact their plan. How valuable can one plan be when it got us stuck in this gigantic mess. Isn't it obvious their plan sucks? And what little good economy we have, is not for most in this country who deserve it. Housing is a better litmus than nasdaq. You can have Kerry.
All those forces are driven by the war. It's the war. Our government was hijacked 6 years ago and hundreds of thousands are dead and 3 times that maimed all based on the biggest, most brazen in your (300 million) face lie ever sold from the very top of our government. I'm in a perpetual state of shock. Most people don't want to believe it cause it's so ugly and sickening. But it's true!
Just to save what little face this country has, we need to show that we can kick our governments ass when needed.
Yes, the dems are not angels, but they will roast GW over a bbq spit for two years if they sweep. I'll bring the cole slaw.
The dems don't have "many plans"..... they have no plan at all. Their entire collective campaign has been about one single word. "Change."
But the interesting thing about this is.... "change" is never defined by any of them. I have not heard one single democrat offer any description of an alternate plan for Iraq, the economy, the border, etc.... The only person who really gave any concrete example of a plan was John Murtha suggesting a phased pull-out and redeployment of the military. Of course, that doesn't take into account what would happen in that country after we leave as he suggests.... but I respect him more than other democrats because he actually put himself out there and gave a suggestion. Everyone else just keeps saying.... "it's time for a change" but they never elaborate. Well.... I take that to mean they have no clue what they would do differently. They don't have any plan to speak of.
The dems will not sweep. They might get the House.... they won't get the Senate. So don't get too excited, man. I'm not giving up yet.... there's still a chance we might actually hang on the the House, too.
I'm going to do my part to try and make that happen.
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I did my mail in absentee ballot as well - I sent it in last week.old school user wrote:Got my mail in ballot in. Why can't the whole country have that like here in Oregon?
Looking forward to the celebration!!!
Though the morning after is going to be tough work, after how much this admin has F'd things up.
I'm in Washington State
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subterFUSE
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Adonis wrote:I did my mail in absentee ballot as well - I sent it in last week.old school user wrote:Got my mail in ballot in. Why can't the whole country have that like here in Oregon?
Looking forward to the celebration!!!
Though the morning after is going to be tough work, after how much this admin has F'd things up.
I'm in Washington State
My polling place is walking distance from my house.
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We got polling places all over here in downtown Seattle - It's just easier to get the voter's pamphlet and your ballot at home
That way you can read up on everything and vote at your leisure - when you've made your final decision you just pop it in the mailbox on your way to work
easy
plus I don't want to get harrased by the extreme left and right making me feel bad about being bad
this guy yelled at me the other day in front of QFC because I didn't stop and sign his piece of paper. - "You don't care about the environment!!!"
That way you can read up on everything and vote at your leisure - when you've made your final decision you just pop it in the mailbox on your way to work
easy
plus I don't want to get harrased by the extreme left and right making me feel bad about being bad
this guy yelled at me the other day in front of QFC because I didn't stop and sign his piece of paper. - "You don't care about the environment!!!"
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subterFUSE
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Adonis wrote:We got polling places all over here in downtown Seattle - It's just easier to get the voter's pamphlet and your ballot at home
That way you can read up on everything and vote at your leisure - when you've made your final decision you just pop it in the mailbox on your way to work
easy
plus I don't want to get harrased by the extreme left and right making me feel bad about being bad
this guy yelled at me the other day in front of QFC because I didn't stop and sign his piece of paper. - "You don't care about the environment!!!"
Yeah. Hippies suck.
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