Special MIDI Routing

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:27 am

Question: Is it possible to route MIDI CC data from a VST instrument to an insert effect placed after the instrument? I can't get it working...

Thanks

Euklid.fox · Post by **Euklid.fox** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:46 pm

I think no,

vst don't send midi data, just receive.
but with live 6 you can assign any pot to two different thingz, ie the cutoff of your synth and the feedback of your delay after your synth.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:47 pm

vst DO send midi, I have made a few that only send midi, no sound at all.

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Example of how to send midi out of a VST in Live:
if you drop a midi instrument "sequencer" on a midi channel called "channel" then make a new midi channel and set its midi input from = "channel" -- you will see another drop down beneath, where you can choose your midi instrument "sequencer"
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the problem you are having is that your insert effect is looking in the wrong place for its midi input, it is looking at the parent channels midi source,not the preceding instruments output.

Sadly, Live still has a bit of a flaw in its routing set up, you cant set 'audio from' on a midi channel and you cant set 'midi from' on an audio channel.
That means you can take midi from a step sequencer instrument, assign it to a filter in a new midi channel ... but you cant route any audio through that midi channel.

You can route midi to effects on Audio channels .. but not Lives effects (!) only VST effects. And .. just to make your brain burst with info ...also you cant route the midi from a VST midi sequencer to an audio tracks midi eneabled vst plugin.

I do have a fix for all that - but I'm busy right now so I'll probably pot t later.
essentially it is a VST which is just a 'pipe', you put it on a midi track, route your control signals to that midi track - then from that track to your audio track.

it's the best way without using something like IAC or midiyoke.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:05 pm

Thank you for your replies. I will look closer into the problem. Livelab's LiveSlice does output audio and midi, and indeed the routing in Live doesn't really acount for that. The individual loopslices in LiveSlice can output midi Controller Changes on two channels to control for example a Filter cutoff effect placed after the audio output of LiveSlice. Which would be great. I have understood that EnergyXT does it, but I really would like to do it in Live. Thanks again...

Euklid.fox · Post by **Euklid.fox** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:11 pm

Angstrom wrote:vst DO send midi, I have made a few that only send midi, no sound at all.

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Example of how to send midi out of a VST in Live:
if you drop a midi instrument "sequencer" on a midi channel called "channel" then make a new midi channel and set its midi input from = "channel" -- you will see another drop down beneath, where you can choose your midi instrument "sequencer"
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ok, Ive made a track "aBS" with an absynth 3 on it,
then ive made a new midi track and set it's input from "abs", there are no submenus, just "pre or post fx", and if i move the pots of absynth, they do not control at all the new absynth Ive put on the new midi track, Ive tried with several VST, so what VST do ya use?

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:49 pm

I guess absynth doesn't send out midi ? hmm. I tend to use my own VSTi because I am a cheapskate !

there's something crappy here that certainly sends out midi
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... =sequencer

Euklid.fox · Post by **Euklid.fox** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:17 am

wow I really discover someting, thanks for that, angstrom

I would really enjoy discovering ur fix, let'us now when it will be avaible,

I always want to re-se an lfo to another Fx/Vst, or to generate Gate sign,
waiting a midi LFO, but with this you can make very interesting thingZ!