Setting MIDI CC permanently on a Live Instrument?

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:40 am

Hi,

I'm totally noob to the controller stuff, got the UC33 since 2 years but now finally decided to configure it all so it makes sense for me.

I'm using a UC-33e and a Korg MicroKontroller with Live. The UC-33 is mainly used for instruments/effect control and I want to for example take a Operator in Track 1 and assign the UC-33 Controllers to it but once I remove the Operator and add another later I would have to set the controllers again. Is there a way to make determined controllers stick permanently to an instrument?
I'd like to define UC33 presets for the Live instruments, say presets 2 is for Operator only, preset 3 is for Sampler only etc.

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:16 pm

Hi,

Either by Auto-assigning to Macros (is there a template for UC-33 and the MicroKontrol?). Or Make a template Live set with mappings that you like to your favorite instruments.

-Mikael

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:30 pm

I don't think there are any template, at least not for the Live instruments (only the mixer strip).
Could you explain the "template Live set" a bit more? Do you mean to just create a live set, add the needed instruments, tracks etc and set the midi controllers or is it something more specific?
Because if not then it would be like just what I'm doing right now.

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:01 pm

lizardman wrote:Could you explain the "template Live set" a bit more? Do you mean to just create a live set, add the needed instruments, tracks etc and set the midi controllers or is it something more specific?
Because if not then it would be like just what I'm doing right now.

There's nothing more to it than actually saving it as your template (in the prefs menu).

I don't think there are any template, at least not for the Live instruments (only the mixer strip).

The template would be in Live (assuming you're on version 6) - in the auto assignment setup. Again in the prefs menu.

-Mikael

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:38 pm

Thanks Lo-Fi! You mean the "Save Current Set as Template" in the Prefs/File Folder tab?
I'm using this but I'M still not sure how to assign permanent controllers to a device, i.e. so that re-appear when I delete an Operator and later add a new one.

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:42 pm

I'm using this but I'M still not sure how to assign permanent controllers to a device, i.e. so that re-appear when I delete an Operator and later add a new one.

Unforunately that is not possible... A lot of people want it and it has been talked about quite a bit...

-M

stjohn · Post by **stjohn** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:09 pm

if you kinda think ahead you can get away with it...

by saying that i mean:-

say your in the mood for some loopy drum based techno...

setup an als file with 8 or so tracks..
put your impulse, operator, and other stuff in each track then assign the midi..
save the als in its own folder, call it techno_default or something.

then do the same for whatever else, DJ set, recording default, whatever..

i have a setting for the UC33e somewhere, where all preset banks 1-4 all hold different midi cc's so you can do whatever you want with those 4...and you never have to worry about 2 conflicting

if you want it.

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:17 pm

I guess I will end up with your described method more or less, thanks stjohn.
In fact I was starting to create presets for the UC with all unique CC's but if you don't mind sharing I could save myself that tedious task!

jamesp · Post by **jamesp** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:51 pm

Will Live6 allow you to put Impulse on a separte Midi channel?

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:36 pm

jamesp wrote:Will Live6 allow you to put Impulse on a separte Midi channel?

I would probably the last who can answer this but I haven't found any way to do this.

btw: Can somebody tell me what the best way is to assign CC's from the UC-33 to third party VSTi's that I use in Live?
For example I want to control impOSCar with the UC-33 but I can't find any downloadable template for that synth so I want to roll my own preset. Do I have to know all the CC ID's in impOSCar? And where can I get a list of them?

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:05 pm

Eehhh... Have you read the manual? This is one of Live's main features.

Selcect your VSTi. Click the small triangle/arrow to unfold all the VST parameters. Press ctrl-M. Click the one you'd like to midi map. Move a fader/knob on your UC-33. Press ctrl-M. Done.

This is of course after you've set your UC-33 to work as a midi remote in the prefs/midi.

Isn't this what you said you did before when creating templates?

-Mikael

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:33 pm

Oh how I wish Live had real midi learn like my 3rd party vstz....

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:49 pm

Kodama wrote:Oh how I wish Live had real midi learn like my 3rd party vstz....

Concur - personally what I'd like the Abe's to implement is a recall-able VSTi/AU CC mapping system as it would save TONS of work, creativity and smooth the workflow no end. For example: you load your VSTi/AU, create your CC mapping, save it as a file (let's call it synth.cc for want of a better term) - now every time you load that synth Live prompts you if you want to load your default mapping. Click yes - Live loads synth.cc and your instrument controller is immediately ready to go. Think of it like Native Instruments Kore but for ANY controller if you will.

To the best of my knowledge, not having upgraded to 6, the Automap for the rack requires remapping non-supported hardware MIDI CC's to those that have been.

Silverfish · Post by **Silverfish** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:51 pm

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/09/1 ... #more-1627

Hope this helps.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:58 pm

That helps a little, but only for 8 parameters...

It's not even funny if I load a sampler preset and for whatever reason it wipes out my 120 CC# settings mapped to my X-Station for that particular Sampler.

Please get this together, Ableton