Can I control multiple send knobs with a single macro?

touched1 · Post by **touched1** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:32 am

I am doing a dub remix.
I have:
Send 1 Verb
Send 2 Echo
Send 3 n/a
send 4 Stereo Delay

I can currently control any of the individual; send levels on a channel via a hardware controller, BUT it would be really great to use a macro to assign a single hardware knob to control the send levels to sends 1, 2, and 4 on a channel.

I think I can do this with a macro, I am just not sure how.

Again, I do not want to lose individual control of the sends, I just want to be able to have a "send to all" knob for those over the top moments.

I could do this be creating a new channel and setting the send levels that channel the way I want, then just send to that channel for the "send to all" effect, but it seems liek there should be a cleaner way.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions, or for revealing a previous thread that covers this.

touched1 · Post by **touched1** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:56 pm

Nothing?
Oh come on guys.
Somebody here knows this....

Help a brother out.

dcs · Post by **dcs** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:38 pm

Midipipe might be able to help you. I've never used it but I've heard good things.

http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/

Midipipe is a versatile midi mapper so your one hardware knob could send multiple controller change messages simultaneously.

touched1 · Post by **touched1** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:11 pm

Thanks for the tip dcs.
I'll try that out.

But it seems like there should be a way to do this without involving a 3rd party app...

Anyone else?

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:35 pm

macros can only control whats inside the rack itself, though you could connect as many knobs to the same midi controls if you wanted

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:38 pm

you could create a return track that sends to all the other tracks and then link a controller to a utility plug to control whether or not anything is being sent

make all your tracks in your song send to this "bus track" and then that bus track sends to all the returns, then controling utility is basically the macro you wanted to control all sends at once.

massiveheadpain · Post by **massiveheadpain** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:47 am

use the x fade trick, assign all your tracks to A and your sends to B when you flip the x fader, it will send everything to your sends at once

Dr Dub · Post by **Dr Dub** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:16 pm

Ask the Doctor...

The Problem is (-> feature request): You can assign 1 midi-knob to many
destinations in Live, but you can not assign multiple midi-messages to one
destination in Live.

So it would be easy to assign one knob to send a, b AND d, (if want even with
different highest and lowest Values, so that you would send your Signal
for example full to the Echo but just a bit to the Reverb or something like that)
but as you said, the Problem is you can t anymore assign the single sends
of the channel to different encoders.

Johnisfaster is on the right way, but you can do it even more easy, without
a Utility:
Just Create another Send (e, name it FX madness) and turn the send-knobs
a, b, d on this Channel up.
Now you can send all of your channels to the seperate sends AND to send e,
which will send the Audio to all the other sends.
For changing and more interesting FX, try to automate the send-knobs on
send e, so your "Mad-FX" will change a bit.

Also try a saturator and or a Phaser and or a Gate on send e -> more madness

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:41 pm

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winner!!

touched1 · Post by **touched1** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:15 pm

Thanks guys for the responses.

The "creating another send with all fx on" suggestion is a good one, and pretty much what I stated as a workaround in the first post in this thread, no?

I am trying this now, and what I am getting when I do this, is:

Send A Verb
Send B "FX to all"
Send C Echo
Send D N/A
Send E Stereo Delay

So I turn up sends A, C, and E on send B, and when I send signal to it, I get nothing but druy signal that does not go to the FX. I have even changed the output on Return B to "sends only" no change.

I do not have this "dry signal" problem on other return channels, for instance, I am sending Send E Stereo Delay, to Send A Verb without any problems.

Could someone else please try this and tell me if they are having issues also?

Nice Tip aout the saturator and phaser Dr Dub. I'll try that!!

Thanks again guys...

Dr Dub · Post by **Dr Dub** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:33 pm

is it possible your send-knobs on send b are grey instead of black like the
ones on your audiochannels?

Then you have to right-click them and enable or activate all sends.

I thought in your first post you wanted to create a new audiotrack as workaround, which will not work as good as a special send-track.

Happy dubbin

touched1 · Post by **touched1** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:02 pm

Thanks again for the response Dr Dub.

You are right, I said "track" when I meant "return".

And you are also right, the knobs were grey instead of black! I'd never run into that before and did not know that "enable all sends" was even something that ever needed to be done.

Although this is not as "clean" a solution as I was hoping for (a send being able to accept info from multiple CC's would've been nice!!) It is certainly an acceptable workaround.

I owe you one my good Dr. You see what I am doing with my dub FX, what are you doing with yours?

Thanks again!