God-Damn NI!

digitalex · Post by **digitalex** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:41 pm

Let me get this straight Machines,

So what you are saying is any VST or AU's GUI in a DAW in OSX, while the sequencer is A-OK will occasionally render the DAW FUBAR? What a PITA IMHO.
Sorry, had to do it

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:54 pm

I completely agree with everything you've said machinesworking.

N.I., Cubase, Pro tools, Apple, whatever. Big audio software companies get worse the bigger they get. It's no coincidence the smaller developers are more responsive to customers, that's just how it works.

Apple as been even less responsive to customers than N.I., but look at all the folks praising the macbooks. And people compare some software companies to others, saying " look how fast they made a universal binary!" Most companies who made them fast only had a few instruments to convert, not, say thirteen.

If a smaller company had made komplete, I would have bought it off of them instead in a heartbeat, but I love my N.I. products more than anything so I'll deal with them.

As for kore, I only ever considered it when it was part of some cheap deal, but as soon as I found at it needed the hardware attached at all times, I laughed it off. It's useless anyways. Why the hell do I need to layer a bunch of absyths and reaktors on top of each other to drain more cpu? There's only so many layers a sound or song can have before turning to mush anyways. I could get 180 dollars off Kore right now if I bought it, and get massive for free. Alternatively I could put the coupon towards massive. Basically Kore would only cost me an extra 200 bucks, but I don't care, I wouldn't take it for free.

BinaryB, just sell the damn thing and forget about it. Let your anger go. One useless piece of junk doesn't suddenly turn all their other instruments to junk.

The rest work fine for me. And kinetic, reaktor's instruments work fine in hosts. There were a few which didn't restart properly, but a song position macro was made that fixed it, now all is peachy.

grb

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:16 am

b0unce wrote:Say, does anyone know how many authorisations cycling74 allow for maxmsp ?
with the iLok you can only run one max at a time, which has its advantages...
but if cycling74 allow two or more authorisations via the software protection, then theoretically I could run max on my mac and maybe a second PC machine.

PACE say they generate their auth code via your hard-drive, so I wonder if you auth your macintel (once) would max work on XP if you installed it on the same machine - under the same single authorisation ?

sorry for jacking this thread, disgruntled NI peeps

If you find out, post it. To me the inability to use multiple computers to write with if needed is another drawback to iLock, Kore, and USB dongles in general.
With Kore that especially hurts, Kore instances make perfect sense for hosting a plug in bundle on a desktop, while you play Kore instances, and write MIDI sequences etc. on the laptop. Kore screws the pooch in that case.

iLock does as well. Say you mistakenly authorize both Pluggo, and Max/MSP on the same iLock. Well then, if you want to use Max on the desktop, and Live on the laptop, running some Pluggo plug ins.....

Otherwise PACE becomes the better solution, IF they allow you to authorize two machines! I seem to be doing OK with Pluggo on the desktop and laptop, so PACE might be the way. I still fear PACE as a possible cause of instability, and as a lowly end user, there's no way to really know.

glitchrock-buddha wrote:I completely agree with everything you've said machinesworking.

Hey buddha, I'm michael on OSX Audio BTW, good to see you round these parts

And kinetic, reaktor's instruments work fine in hosts. There were a few which didn't restart properly, but a song position macro was made that fixed it, now all is peachy.

Honestly that one lost me, I use quite a few Reactor sequencers in Live, with no problems? Any in particular that you can name?

BinaryB · Post by **BinaryB** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:55 am

Machinesworking wrote:
BinaryB wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
Kore sucks, I'm glad I didn't buy it, but it's hard to have sympathy for people who are early adopters. I suppose if they're 20 years old and haven't been using audio software for long, or haven't used plug ins much etc.
So your FUCKED UP LOGIC is that we should be aware of how FUCKED N.I. are ?

FUCK SYMPATHY.

Its simple respect for THE FACTS.

sympathy is what N.I. are trying to get.
Not sympathy really, I just own VERY little software that hasn't gone through a fucked up phase. The only dead stable app I own is Reason, and to me it's incomplete on many levels. If reason has a reactor like plug in, and audio capabilities....
Apple even do it. and you get ZERO sympathy on the Apple forums. They deleted a thread I was slamming Logic on, and I never got half as heated as you do about Kore!

Ableton are pretty cool IMO, Urs Heckman (Uh-He = Zebra nd Filterscape etc.), FXPansion, and Ohm Force are cool, but that's about it. The rest are like Apple and NI, they barley acknowledge bugs, release things too early so some people's systems are left hanging, and are slow to update the software when a revision to the AU spec or Intel chips, 64 bit etc. comes out.

I sympathize that Kore is a POS, sorry if it seems like I don't, but if you hang in there, it will work. Either that or sell it, but you know the day you sell it they will release a bug fix! I'm sure, NI have to be sick of this, and it's got to hurt the bottom line. Only reason I bought Komplete Care was to get UB versions of my plug ins, and it's not really you that bothered me about the NI bashing, it's the people that bought $2000 machines, and are pissed at NI for making them pay for updates, that a TON of other companies are also making them pay for.... in my case including Apple themselves.

I would sell it, but I have much better business ethics than N.I.

also

I see your points, they are very well articulated,
AND
there is some great advice in this thread for anyone who reads it.

and for the record,

BinaryB wrote:with universal binary,

it appears that apple are getting away with some magic.

The DSP Quattro guy explains his take on the UB problems here

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:19 am

glitchrock-buddha wrote:And kinetic, reaktor's instruments work fine in hosts. There were a few which didn't restart properly, but a song position macro was made that fixed it, now all is peachy.

http://www.nativeinstruments.de/forum_u ... hp?t=40880
Is this what you are talkin about?
glitchrock-buddha I'd appreciate some more info, if poss, thanks anyway though.

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:42 am

kineticUk wrote:
glitchrock-buddha wrote:And kinetic, reaktor's instruments work fine in hosts. There were a few which didn't restart properly, but a song position macro was made that fixed it, now all is peachy.
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/forum_u ... hp?t=40880
Is this what you are talkin about?
glitchrock-buddha I'd appreciate some more info, if poss, thanks anyway though.

Ya that looks like it.

Easiest way to find it is go to the user library, search for song position fix. Actually I think it's just been updated so it should be on the recently updated section.

I haven't used reaktor in a while because of the UB issue, so I haven't used the newer version, but I remember that I'd have a version with and without it because things acted differently in Logic in Live. But basically if something isn't playing the first note in a sequenced ensemble, throw that thing in, and it should fix it.

grb

arctic ranger · Post by **arctic ranger** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:29 am

budda you @ cdis?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:38 am

One bit of cheerleading, FM8 Demo sounds really good! can't wait for the Komplete 4 to arrive! OK back to the regularly scheduled NI basing.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:41 am

Machinesworking wrote:One bit of cheerleading, FM8 Demo sounds really good! can't wait for the Komplete 4 to arrive! OK back to the regularly scheduled NI basing.

Well hold up a second then, FM7 was my first ever soft synth and I loved it ...ok I'm done...game on

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:59 am

arctic ranger wrote:budda you @ cdis?

Nope, BCIT. Did my music production college a few years back at Columbia Academy. Now I'm doing other stuff. You?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:05 am

kineticUk wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:One bit of cheerleading, FM8 Demo sounds really good! can't wait for the Komplete 4 to arrive! OK back to the regularly scheduled NI basing.
Well hold up a second then, FM7 was my first ever soft synth and I loved it ...ok I'm done...game on

Sorry to continue this, but it's really a MAJOR improvement, I thought it was retarded that they updated it at first, considering in my mind, Pro 53 REALLY needs it more, but the arp and the morph functions are tons of fun. Almost as cool as Zebra in many ways!

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:16 am

BinaryB wrote:
FCK wrote: How about making a record that 5 people on Earth would actually buy for $1 and then bitch about your shit ass ridiculous problem. Both the God Damn Ableton and NI Progs arent even 1/2 the price of a decent microphone for God sakes and your bitching like you just ran out of oxegen tanks on Mars... STFU you stupid ass

What closet did you bust out of ?

seriously!

Where do these BLURPs come from.......they are off track and out of context.......

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:18 am

FCK wrote:
Ohhhhh jezuzzz fuck for Brains.... THANK YOU! ! ! ! ! LOOK OUT! I'm going to un-install Reaktor 5 ... LMAO...

>>>>>"NI's SHIT DONT WORK PROPERLY"<<<<<<<

^^^^ Well if you say so fuck head... ???

dude, you joined this forum to post dribble.......just go away!

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:36 am

Machinesworking wrote:One bit of cheerleading, FM8 Demo sounds really good! can't wait for the Komplete 4 to arrive! OK back to the regularly scheduled NI basing.

sir, please do not get pissed at me but I have to say, considering the evidence.....I'm not sure it will EVER happen!

And trust me, it sucks...........I'd love to do kore and komplete.......but I just look at how many times they have "changed their minds" on when updates will come out (not to mention bug fixes) and I have no choice but to be skeptical.

pev · Post by **pev** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:04 am

b0unce wrote: I think iLok looks pretty useful...its $39.95 for the usb key and whatever software uses this copy-protection scheme has its license saved on the same key

That sounds pretty reasonable - I spoke to Apple about getting a replacement XSKey for Logic and they wanted 65 UKP for it (around $100). Rip off merchants...

~Pev

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