Gonna buy Serato Scratch!!!

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:32 am

That's what I thought, buddha. The thing with Serato is that you have the separate Serato interface - so all you'd need ins/outs wise on your regular audio interface would be 1 STEREO in for recording/looping in Live.

With Torq and FS, you have the same advantage.

BUT - with Ms. Pinky and mixvibes (and mixvibes is the one I like the most right now) you need 2 STEREO ins and 2 STEREO outs on your interface. That's alot. And if I buy the Motu Ultralite that I am itching to get, that may not leave me enough outs for my regular Live Set (4 Stereo outs, PLUS a Stereo out for PFL/Monitoring).

Why is life so hard?!?

[EDIT] Shiyit - My laptop only has ONE firewire connection...

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:22 am

I use a powered firewire/usb hub. Works fine if you need more firewire. Why do you need more anyways? Is serato firewire?

Also, doesn't the ultralite have like 10 outs or something? I'm also looking at that. It would be good for Ms. Pinky 'cause you need those ins/outs.

I was thinking of trying the Ms.Pinky w/ ultralite combo. I'd bet it would be comparable latency to serato + soundcard x, given that serato basically acts as a dedicated soundcard. So either way, the audio file is going D/A out, then A/D in, and then D/A out (if software monitoring), so I think it would nice not to have another box, like serato.

But then I go cross-eyed thinking about it again.

I'm gonna rely on you to report your success as it sounds like you are trying to do exactly the same thing I am.

cheers,

grb

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:31 am

Also, doesn't the ultralite have like 10 outs or something?

Yeah - but you need STEREO PAIRS for each out you are going to use. So, for my current setup I would need:

4 Separate outs to DJM600 = 8 outs on Ultralite
1 Monitor/PFL/Cue = 2 outs on Ultralite
Total = 10 outs on Ultralite

Suffed again. Life is TRULY hard.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:16 am

The ultralite is modular.

You could have 2 ultralites.

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:32 am

I've been looking at the ultralite webpage - it may work with mixvibes, you know!

I have a question, though..

What can you connect to the s/pdif out??? Does it act like the normal outs if connected to a mixer? Can I use an s/pdif out to supply audio from Live to a line/channel on my DJM600?

If there really are 14 usable outs and 10 usable ins on the ultralite, then I COULD POTENTIALLY have this (sweee-ee-eeet) set-up:

4 ins from 1200s for mixvibes = 4 ins on Ultralite
2 ins from mixer for mixvibes = 2 ins on Ultralite
2 ins from mixer for vinyl = 2 ins on Ultralite
------------------------Total = 8 INS

4 Lines/Channels on DJM600 = 8 outs on Ultralite
1 PFL/Cue/Monitor (ultralite) = 2 outs on Ultralite (Using stereo headphone out)
2 outs to mixer for mixvibes = 4 outs (incl. STEREO MAST & S/PDIF) on Ultralite
------------------------Total = 14 OUTS

Is life getting easier, here?!?

<-- Little smile...

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:47 am

The s/pdif is a coaxiaL digital output.

As far as i know you cant connect this to your mixer.

unless you can find a D/A converter to give you 2 line signals.

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:03 pm

wilxon wrote:As far as i know you cant connect this to your mixer.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!

What can you connect to S/PDIF?!? Can anyone shed some light on what exactly S/PDIF is for?

Q: What is S/PDIF?

A: SPDIF, or S/PDIF, stands for Sony/Philips Digital Interface. It is a technology for transmitting audio data in a digital medium to preserve quality.
In addition to sound cards, there are many consumer electronics devices that feature SPDIF. Examples are DVD players, mini-disc players or recorders, and other devices. By providing SPDIF functionality, these devices can send out, play back, or record audio with zero signal loss.

DOES THIS MEAN - I can connect the S/PDIF from the Ultralite to my portable minidisc player (these were what we used before ipods were invented...

) and then use the minidisc player as a Digital-to-Analogue converter????????? (Would the minidisc have to be in record-stand-by mode to allow the signal to go through the minidisc player?

[EDIT] I'll need to check if the S/PDIF on my minidisc is an in or an out... Life is hard!!!

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:23 pm

Patch wrote:
wilxon wrote:As far as i know you cant connect this to your mixer.
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!

What can you connect to S/PDIF?!? Can anyone shed some light on what exactly S/PDIF is for?

Q: What is S/PDIF?

A: SPDIF, or S/PDIF, stands for Sony/Philips Digital Interface. It is a technology for transmitting audio data in a digital medium to preserve quality.
In addition to sound cards, there are many consumer electronics devices that feature SPDIF. Examples are DVD players, mini-disc players or recorders, and other devices. By providing SPDIF functionality, these devices can send out, play back, or record audio with zero signal loss.
DOES THIS MEAN - I can connect the S/PDIF from the Ultralite to my portable minidisc player (these were what we used before ipods were invented... ) and then use the minidisc player as a Digital-to-Analogue converter????????? (Would the minidisc have to be in record-stand-by mode to allow the signal to go through the minidisc player?

[EDIT] I'll need to check if the S/PDIF on my minidisc is an in or an out... Life is hard!!!

You know - that is exactly what i was going to suggest - but then i found a flaw in that one.

My minidisc player has optical s/pdif, the one on the ultralite is a coaxial.

Your minidisc may take a coaxial s/pdif though.

The minidisc is most likely to be an in btw

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:33 pm

CO2 - Coaxial/Optical Bi-Directional Converter

jr · Post by jr » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:42 pm

Yoshi wrote:Hi Patch

Based on my experiences I would advise strongly against Mixvibes. I've owned it and my main issue was that I never got the pitch tracking to work properly. It just fluctuated wildly, I couldn't hold a mix for more than 20 sec even using two copies fo the same track set at quartz locked 0. Now this was using thier vinyl generation 1, which they don't even support anymore (so you have to upgrade to version 2).

do U using ver 1 platter with the newest ver, the newest ver dont support ver 1 platter, i'm using ver 2, it's no ploblem.

Yoshi wrote: Users not using phono pre-amps seem to have more problems than those who do. (I was using the line out of my TTS so I had no need for pre-amps, but still had problems).

mixvibes recommend user don't use the internal preamp of the turntable, just plug the phono signal to sound card it's work great.

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:54 pm

jr - how happy are you with mixvibes? Doyou run it on the same computer at the same time as live?

jr · Post by jr » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:09 pm

Patch wrote:
1 PFL/Cue/Monitor (ultralite) = 2 outs on Ultralite (Using stereo headphone out)
...

U may just only monitoring on DJM600, no need monitoring in ableton live.

jr · Post by jr » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:13 pm

Patch wrote:jr - how happy are you with mixvibes? Doyou run it on the same computer at the same time as live?

it' great with my XPS.
no, dell xps for mixvibes, macbook pro for ableton live.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:14 pm

jr wrote:
Patch wrote:
1 PFL/Cue/Monitor (ultralite) = 2 outs on Ultralite (Using stereo headphone out)
...
U may just only monitoring on DJM600, no need monitoring in ableton live.

Yes,

or are you needing all 4 channels of the DJM, and then monitoring/cue after that???

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:32 pm

I need to be able to cue both directly from Live, and from the DJM600.

I like to treat the Live and the DJM as 2 separate entities. The DJM is just for controlling audio - so I'd use the cue from the DJM to adjust levels to get all 4 channels sounding right together.

I'd use the cue from Live to edit samples.

It looks like I'm gonna have to get a coax - optical converter and use the minidisc player to cue Live. Unless there is a digital to analogue converter that is reasonably priced...