Why, man, why?
Why, man, why?
Why do this? Why make music, and why make it with all this expensive equipment? Are we Mozarts? Or is it an imagination thing, about opening our horizons and whatnot? Just curious.
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Ok yes, so why make music, which is art...so why art? and the fundamental question: What is art? Does music, and hence art, have rules? Haven't seen this discussed yet, and am curious as to what you think.
when i was in school, they told me practice makes perfect, then they said nobody's perfect so i stopped practicing -steven wright
to be honest your questions are all wrong ...
pretty much everyone on this board is going to have a passion for music in some form or another. music is in the heart, and when u have that passion.... being ablet o create your own stuff, gives you a sense of fulfillment... nothing to do with art or society or trying to please people... its just fuckin music and thats what it is..... now if you asked a question like... what are the advantages of making music. id say...
very therapeutic
form of escapism
coz its good
etc
etc
pretty much everyone on this board is going to have a passion for music in some form or another. music is in the heart, and when u have that passion.... being ablet o create your own stuff, gives you a sense of fulfillment... nothing to do with art or society or trying to please people... its just fuckin music and thats what it is..... now if you asked a question like... what are the advantages of making music. id say...
very therapeutic
form of escapism
coz its good
etc
etc
Re: Why, man, why?
because its better than sniffing glue,digitalex wrote:Why do this? Why make music, and why make it with all this expensive equipment? Are we Mozarts? Or is it an imagination thing, about opening our horizons and whatnot? Just curious.
on a serious note,
its a way to express oneself,
many of the masters of classical music and the such, they express themselves that way(yea they might sound better) but they all had to practice.
its something to focus on, something to let out your expressions on what you deal with in life, yea we might not be mozarts (not yet) but soon will be if you keep on persevering.
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Music most definatly has rules. Anything else is sound/noise ...which also has artistic merits, but music is all about rules. if you just threw notes anywhere and everywhere, and kicks all over the place at random....you wouldnt call it music.digitalex wrote:Ok yes, so why make music, which is art...so why art? and the fundamental question: What is art? Does music, and hence art, have rules? Haven't seen this discussed yet, and am curious as to what you think.
art doesnt have rules. art is all about expression. it doesnt have to make sense. I can record my dog barking, and mangle it and run it through reverbs and create some kind of lush soundscape with it - which people might like, but its not music. but it is art.
only a fucking moron would say music has no rules.
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That's really interesting bounce. I do see what you are saying, but music is also about expression. Well, it depends, but I'd say those who are making music for love of music, for them it is all about expression.
Music is an art form, just like painting, but maybe it is more closely tied into those rules? Maybe not?
Visual art also has rules. A painter can randomly throw paint on a canvas as readily as a musician can randomly throw notes into a composition, but how closely it follows those rules, or relates to those rules by blatantly breaking them, maybe this is what determines how it will be accepted by the viewer/listener. And if it is rejected by the audience then most likely the expression was lost, and the piece loses it's value - to the audience at-least. To the artist who is making art purely for themselves this is of little consequence, but most of us are making art for some type of audience; an audience to receive the message of our expression.
Maybe the audience doesn't always understand the rules, or the rules being broken are too complicated for less sophisticated audiences, and they say "I don't get it - they will call anything art these days..." Maybe this phenomena is more pronounced with music, maybe people are more sensitive when it comes to their ears. You can always walk away from a painting, but music fills the whole room.
Maybe the artist doesn't understand the rules they are breaking. I believe in the saying "you have to know the rules before you can break them". It's easy to break rules when you don;t know what the hell they are or haven't bothered to learn them. How can one label ones self abstract, experimental, or avant garde, when one has no concept of the rules in the first place?
Art is a universal language, a window to the soul. I believe art is universal, and art is inside of everyone. But it depends on what we, as artists, be it visual or musical, otherwise or all, it all depends on what we are trying to achieve, what we are trying to say, and what level we are trying to reach. Some people want nothing to do with it, some people never try because they are scared of the rules, and some people live for it.
Music is an art form, just like painting, but maybe it is more closely tied into those rules? Maybe not?
Visual art also has rules. A painter can randomly throw paint on a canvas as readily as a musician can randomly throw notes into a composition, but how closely it follows those rules, or relates to those rules by blatantly breaking them, maybe this is what determines how it will be accepted by the viewer/listener. And if it is rejected by the audience then most likely the expression was lost, and the piece loses it's value - to the audience at-least. To the artist who is making art purely for themselves this is of little consequence, but most of us are making art for some type of audience; an audience to receive the message of our expression.
Maybe the audience doesn't always understand the rules, or the rules being broken are too complicated for less sophisticated audiences, and they say "I don't get it - they will call anything art these days..." Maybe this phenomena is more pronounced with music, maybe people are more sensitive when it comes to their ears. You can always walk away from a painting, but music fills the whole room.
Maybe the artist doesn't understand the rules they are breaking. I believe in the saying "you have to know the rules before you can break them". It's easy to break rules when you don;t know what the hell they are or haven't bothered to learn them. How can one label ones self abstract, experimental, or avant garde, when one has no concept of the rules in the first place?
Art is a universal language, a window to the soul. I believe art is universal, and art is inside of everyone. But it depends on what we, as artists, be it visual or musical, otherwise or all, it all depends on what we are trying to achieve, what we are trying to say, and what level we are trying to reach. Some people want nothing to do with it, some people never try because they are scared of the rules, and some people live for it.
trust me man, music is all about rules.
if you are someone who is naturally gifted, you just pick up a guitar and go with whats inside of you - well if it sounds 'right', its music. Even if you didnt learn the rules, you can listen to what you just playyed - study it, and you will see the rules you are following.
or if you just play random strings, well it might sound interesting - if you can appreciate sounds for the sake of sound. but you're rolling the dice, the musical stuff will be following rules, even if it wasnt your intention.
I know what you mean by 'breaking the rules' musically, but I think thats a bit of a misnomer, a more accurate description would be abstraction, the rules are still the root of the 'rule breaking', if it sounds musical. otherwise its just random sound/noise. which is fine too.
re: the painting analogy. Well, like I'm saying - music is all about rules, the way you used the painting analogy would be suited more to sound in general. the paint equivilant to music would be something with discipline, I dunno, photo-realism maybe. Random splashes of yellow on canvas wouldnt be categorised as photo-realistic - although I'm sure its nice to look at.
y'feel me ?
and while some people can churn out music without studying the rules, thats not to say they're not obeying them - just study the music and you find them. Its like saying theres no rules to breathing/walking, just because you dont have to think about it.
please everybody, dont turn this into some ego contest. Music has rules, look it up.
the word music has a specific definition & meaning. dont confuse it with sound
if you are someone who is naturally gifted, you just pick up a guitar and go with whats inside of you - well if it sounds 'right', its music. Even if you didnt learn the rules, you can listen to what you just playyed - study it, and you will see the rules you are following.
or if you just play random strings, well it might sound interesting - if you can appreciate sounds for the sake of sound. but you're rolling the dice, the musical stuff will be following rules, even if it wasnt your intention.
I know what you mean by 'breaking the rules' musically, but I think thats a bit of a misnomer, a more accurate description would be abstraction, the rules are still the root of the 'rule breaking', if it sounds musical. otherwise its just random sound/noise. which is fine too.
re: the painting analogy. Well, like I'm saying - music is all about rules, the way you used the painting analogy would be suited more to sound in general. the paint equivilant to music would be something with discipline, I dunno, photo-realism maybe. Random splashes of yellow on canvas wouldnt be categorised as photo-realistic - although I'm sure its nice to look at.
y'feel me ?
and while some people can churn out music without studying the rules, thats not to say they're not obeying them - just study the music and you find them. Its like saying theres no rules to breathing/walking, just because you dont have to think about it.
please everybody, dont turn this into some ego contest. Music has rules, look it up.
the word music has a specific definition & meaning. dont confuse it with sound
spreader of butter