Lsd "medicine for the mind???"

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:32 pm

My experiences have been 100% positive. Even when the trip was really bad, it was really good. I absolutely feel that acid has been an integral part of my present sanity, positive outlook on life, intellectual foundations, creative approach, and resolution of very difficult psychological issues from growing up in a very dysfunctional family.

That said, I have been with a few people while they went through very very difficult times on acid - every such experience was due to internal psychological reasons coupled with taking waaay too much. You really have to be willing to accept and deal with anything that might come your way, be willing to let go of your life, be willing to die in a sense, and always remember that you have taken something to temporarily alter your consciousness. This doesn't mean freaking out and jumping through a window, it means that if you see yourslf being eaten by an alien insect consciousness, maybe you should just let it happen and not freak out and try to fly away out the window!

In my experience, and the experience of other psychedelic explorers who know a lot more than I, if you choose to try it - start with small doses and add more each time until you find what is optimal. Start with half or 1 dose at first. Do it with a trusted friend in a safe environment. Listen to your favorite music, if you want. Lock the doors, turn off the phone, have no obligations, and enjoy! The chances of having a bad time are minimized, and if you run into to trouble remember that God loves you!!

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:47 pm

ploy wrote:
Angstrom wrote:I know a few people who went proper mental after LSD use,I mean really mental, not fun 'ha ha' mental. More of a shouting in the street wandering naked crying and breaking into peoples houses mental.
but isn´t that "social sickness" or misbehaving just always the greatest fun looking back in time? trying to put weird stuff like "lsd" down to something totally usual is more than just boring, it´s idiotic. live it out, shout it, cry it out.

hmm, no.

In some hypothetical neo-proto know it all mega fascistic I know everything top anything you say bullshit world, perhaps that would be true. But in fact these people are trapped in what is often called the void. A hell pain world of eternal anguish. They aren't anguished because the world describes them that way, but really they are all marvelous and enlightened - or even because they have seen too much. They simply got their wires crossed by mistake.They spend all their time screaming and crying not because of anything more than a mistake. They are screaming in pain eternally.

They don't look back and laugh because they are still there, in that mental place 20 years later. I'm talking about real self destruction here, not 'as I imagine it, proto-neo-fascitic neoro political social agravator today but have a dinner party about it later " self destruction.
not that kind. The kind where they kill themselves or live in a home all their lives.

remember to kids RAW is a useful guide, get off your high horse

muscleandhate · Post by **muscleandhate** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:55 pm

Acids fucked up man. Wouldn't really recommend it. It's like you take a few here and there, weak hits, you think you can handle it, then one day you dose out on some proper stuff, and you watch reality collapse into itself. Then your left thinking for a few months 'so what the fuck is real?'. Some people recover form this, I did, but I know a few people who didn't. Acid just left me questioning subjective reality and the validity of my perceptions. That said, I've had some real great times on mushrooms and even a few positive acid hits. Overall though, I think too much as it is so when I dose out on those type of drugs it just leaves me picking up the pieces of a shattered reality. You need to ask yourself, can you deal with it?

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:01 am

Angstrom wrote:
ploy wrote:
Angstrom wrote:I know a few people who went proper mental after LSD use,I mean really mental, not fun 'ha ha' mental. More of a shouting in the street wandering naked crying and breaking into peoples houses mental.
but isn´t that "social sickness" or misbehaving just always the greatest fun looking back in time? trying to put weird stuff like "lsd" down to something totally usual is more than just boring, it´s idiotic. live it out, shout it, cry it out.
hmm, no.

In some hypothetical neo-proto know it all mega fascistic I know everything top anything you say bullshit world, perhaps that would be true. But in fact these people are trapped in what is often called the void. A hell pain world of eternal anguish. They aren't anguished because the world describes them that way, but really they are all marvelous and enlightened - or even because they have seen too much. They simply got their wires crossed by mistake.They spend all their time screaming and crying not because of anything more than a mistake. They are screaming in pain eternally.

They don't look back and laugh because they are still there, in that mental place 20 years later. I'm talking about real self destruction here, not 'as I imagine it, proto-neo-fascitic neoro political social agravator today but have a dinner party about it later " self destruction.
not that kind. The kind where they kill themselves or live in a home all their lives.

remember to kids RAW is a useful guide, get off your high horse

sure. but isn´t that eternal void just sucking through "reality" just all the time, and why are those (or closer: that part inside of you) not able anymore to connect to any of the highly attractive ports of isles spreadened all over this ocean? why are there wars, why don´t get people a nice deal when there is a sun and a moon and the bloody river? ahhh: it´s all just running wild, time and all is rare, nothing stays, all is enchanted by misery. but that sweet poetry conclusion is based on harder facts, terrible impressions that cut through your veins, torturing spirals of bitter decay, which have possessed every little thought of your mind, every little dot on your broken soul running dry. irreversible is the code. and there´s nothing left but the wish to be free, be dead.

maybe that´s exactly where my first trip started - and it keeps me bouncing back since then and maybe that won´t just change until me is gone. it´s not that these words should fk anyone up and down, it´s just against those definitions of the it-has-to-be-not-mad-or-sick. maybe the problem´s birth lies there, where you get afraid of what you see, and there could be more the question why those things weren´t open to you before. due to this reason many cultures raise their kids guided by spiritual mushroom-experiences, cause those "demonic horrors" are some of life´s most beautiful esssentials though they have a price for sure.

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:06 am

ps.

it´s about going further, or just keep breathing.

zordon · Post by **zordon** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:17 am

stew wrote:If you're interested in the history and the effects of LSD, there are tons of good articles and books about it. One of my favorites is "Acid Dreams", then there are some docus on google video, of course erowid.org or the writings of Aldous Huxley and Alan Ginsbergh ("The doors of percetion" is not about LSD per se but still a very interesting read).

At least, you're on the right track. If you want to try LSD (and I'm not saying you should, nor am I saying you should not), make sure to be prepared and that you've done your homework. When you read the "bad trip" reports on erowid, you'll find that the vast majority of them were doing stupid mistakes like mixing it with other drugs, not knowing what to expect (like thinking it'd be just another 'fun' drug like MDMA or Marijuana), not having a sitter or taking it in uncomfortable or unfamiliar envrionments.

Concerning your original question about the medical aspects: that is clearly the way LSD should be legal to use. While I think that LSD should not be sold over the counter like alcohol or tobacco, it should be available to psychiatrists. In the right hands, a LSD session can give a therapist deeper access to someone's personality than years of regular therapy.

I have read the doors of perception by huxley, and that made me even more interested in learning about pscycho active chemicals. His interpretations of paintings while on mescaline where really intruiging, particularly his statement of sartiers paintings having "charicatural verissimillitude." Very interesting read, although very short...

-Someone mentioned salvia, which i recently came across. In all honesty nothing happened. I dont know if it was the dosage or perhaps im a "salvia hardhead." Ive heard of some people being highly resistant to psychoactive substances. I did try shrooms a couple months ago and found the experience extremely enlightening although very short. Im told lsd is much more intense, which makes me want to search for it even more.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:19 am

ploy wrote:
Angstrom wrote:
ploy wrote: but isn´t that "social sickness" or misbehaving just always the greatest fun looking back in time? trying to put weird stuff like "lsd" down to something totally usual is more than just boring, it´s idiotic. live it out, shout it, cry it out.
hmm, no.

In some hypothetical neo-proto know it all mega fascistic I know everything top anything you say bullshit world, perhaps that would be true. But in fact these people are trapped in what is often called the void. A hell pain world of eternal anguish. They aren't anguished because the world describes them that way, but really they are all marvelous and enlightened - or even because they have seen too much. They simply got their wires crossed by mistake.They spend all their time screaming and crying not because of anything more than a mistake. They are screaming in pain eternally.

They don't look back and laugh because they are still there, in that mental place 20 years later. I'm talking about real self destruction here, not 'as I imagine it, proto-neo-fascitic neoro political social agravator today but have a dinner party about it later " self destruction.
not that kind. The kind where they kill themselves or live in a home all their lives.

remember to kids RAW is a useful guide, get off your high horse

sure. but isn´t that eternal void just sucking through "reality" just all the time, and why are those (or closer: that part inside of you) not able anymore to connect to any of the highly attractive ports of isles spreadened all over this ocean? why are there wars, why don´t get people a nice deal when there is a sun and a moon and the bloody river? ahhh: it´s all just running wild, time and all is rare, nothing stays, all is enchanted by misery. but that sweet poetry conclusion is based on harder facts, terrible impressions that cut through your veins and there´s nothing left but the wish to be free, be dead.

maybe that´s exactly where my first trip started - and it keeps me bouncing back since then and maybe that won´t just change until me is gone. it´s not that these words should fk anyone up and down, it´s just against those definitions of the it-has-to-be-not-mad-or-sick. maybe the problem´s birth lies there, where you get afraid of what you see, and there could be more the question why those things weren´t open to you before. due to this reason many cultures raise their kids guided by spiritual mushroom-experiences, cause those "demonic horrors" are some of life´s most beautiful esssentials though they have a price for sure.

I read this thrice, and I still have no clue what you're talking about.
Don't do drugs, kids...

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:25 am

Machinate wrote: I read this thrice, and I still have no clue what you're talking about.
Don't do drugs, kids...

it means that sometimes it feels like those lovely birdys do not sing, they all just scream aloud.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:19 am

ploy wrote: ...cause those "demonic horrors" are some of life´s most beautiful esssentials though they have a price for sure.

True dat!

SUPERBANANBOMB · Post by **SUPERBANANBOMB** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:18 am

As beautiful and fun and inspiring and enlightening LSD can be, it's just like people have said already - the flip side to the coin is that you can, and likely WILL, be confronted with issues that you do NOT want to deal with.

Heartbreak.
Lack of spirituality.
Physical death.
The impermanence of life as we know it.
Inner strength.
The sum of our fears.
The nature of fear itself.
The nature of (insert emotion here)
Cancer.
Aids.
Wars.
Suffering.
Intolerance.
Hate.

It just goes on and on.

There's no way to gauge anything. You can't know if you are "strong enough" to handle it until you are reflecting back the next day, with your legs feeling hollow and plastic... You can think about everything you learned.

As far as people going permanently mental from acid... that's gotta be one of two reasons:

1. It was REALLY good acid and they took too much
-or-
2. They were already almost shattered mentally as it was, before dosing. They shouldn't have done acid to begin with.

If you have any "complexes," don't do acid. If you are generally depressed, don't do acid. If you live in shitty surroundings, don't do acid.

Basically, it's something to be feared and respected. That's most important to realize. It's not like mushrooms. It's way more intense.

But holy shit - when it's good, it's GOOD!

If you have any doubts whether or not you should do it, don't.

I'm 26 now and I've tripped on acid quite a few times during my life... my most recent time being this past summer at Freakfest (caveman experience) in Illinois. That was the first time in years. I am not sure I wanna trip again. I had a lot of fun, but at the same time I just feel like it's easy to wear out your welcome when it comes to LSD.

You can trip quite a few times, but after a while you start to realize that you don't even NEED the acid anymore. You just see things from a different perspective now. At least I do.

Plus, I've been extremely fortunate with acid... never had any bad experiences and I'd like to keep it that way. Plus, with how varied acid batches can be, you never know what the heck you're getting. It can be super-strong or weak as hell. It can be pure, it can be dirty and make your joints ache and feel like your teeth are falling out.

I've also had a couple flashbacks, none in a long time though. I still can't look at a uniform pattern (like carpet, wood, etc) without it waving around like an ocean.

I'm glad I've done acid.

I can't say I will never do it again, because I probably will.

However - I respect it and I know I am capable of handling it.

PLB · Post by **PLB** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:26 am

SUPERBANANBOMB wrote:As beautiful and fun and inspiring and enlightening LSD can be, it's just like people have said already - the flip side to the coin is that you can, and likely WILL, be confronted with issues that you do NOT want to deal with.

Heartbreak.
Lack of spirituality.
Physical death.
The impermanence of life as we know it.
Inner strength.
The sum of our fears.
The nature of fear itself.
The nature of (insert emotion here)
Cancer.
Aids.
Wars.
Suffering.
Intolerance.
Hate.

i'd like to add personal relationships to this list...

some people end up completely mental after taking acid because psychedelics can cause disorders that were bound to emerge at some point or another to finally surface (like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc)

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:29 am

I did allot of cid back about 15 to 20 years ago. "Bad trips" generally were the result of unexpected events PLUS the drug itself.

In the video/cell phone/everyone is loud and busy/too much traffic/too much info/ipod/computer era..........I just wouldn't recommend it. It just seems so "dicey" with everything going on. We"d go to dead shows, kick back, listen to some floyd.....all the cliches.....but it was great at the time. I'd be pretty fuckin NOID doin' cid and, say, listening to 50 cent.........doesn't work for clean..........CANT work on lsd!

Us fogeys had people we could trust back then........you guys have people you can trust for drugs these days? It doesn't compute.......I have a hard time beleiving there are really trustworthy people out there.....

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:18 am

Very positive.

Should be compulsory for everyone at age 15 or so....

Fixed me right up.

-Ben

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:59 am

I had a terrible first trip and prayed to god or anyone else to "please just get me through this and I'll never do it again!" It was that bad. I mean, I was 15 and I ran into the girl that just dumped me(!) and my parents (with little 8 year old sister!)

That all happened about 4 hours into the trip! I honestly don't remember what I did the rest of that day allthough I remeber it did involve a LOT of walking around! I totally left the group I was with (who were also on it!) and just vanished. I prayed that if I got through it I would never do it again. I took it like, three weeks later! Much better time!

I think all together I tripped about 5 times. That's all I needed. I took mushrooms a few times and they were fne. Getting them down was a different story! I always loved E though! I had some amazing times at warehouse parties and at friends houses playing records, or watching fucked up videos, etc.

My drug days are over with for the most part. I was never really a huge pot smoker (occasionally, I never really bought it though!) Up until a few years ago I always thought about doing it when spring comes around but, fuck, I'm almost 30 and have quiet positive things going on! Really sorta busy these days too...

All in all I think it's sort of a rite of passage for teens. I learned alot by my few trips and wouldn't be who I am without them.

LJ Martin · Post by **LJ Martin** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:15 am

eyeknow wrote:Us fogeys had people we could trust back then........you guys have people you can trust for drugs these days? It doesn't compute.......I have a hard time beleiving there are really trustworthy people out there.....

Had a lot of acid spill on my hand about three weeks ago... could have been dicey except for a good friend (not on acid) and a girl (on acid) who just watched me (i am experienced) and talked me through some hairy bits and played beautiful music, and talked the most beautiful Buddha truths (i couldn't talk). I definitly went through the fires and the darkness, but I also saw the light (again), and am so glad I had those beautiful people there to keep me on the right path.

Be careful with it, make sure you have good people, someone to trip with and someone to watch you for the first few times. And GOOD music.

Peace