So with a little (or a lot) of work you can make a rack that replicates battery
couple things I would miss - that recycle thing again...I've got a couple rex files on my desktop and sampler . simpler . ableton doesn't recognize those
battery does
battery 3 can be custom configured to be as big or small as you like - as opposed to hard screwed into the bottom of your workspace
a rack of 64 simplers sure you can edit each sample - but a rack of 64 samplers???? really - how do you manage that
can you layer samples in a simpler rack the way you can in Battery similar to the MPC layer <--- > you can do this in Sampler but can you edit each sample in Sampler
I use simpler all the time for my drum parts but stacking a bunch of them on top of each other to do what 1 program is specifically designed to do is a waste of time
I've owned Native Instruments since 2001 and honestly never ran into authorization issues but if people say they exist they exist - that's a road you have to travel I guess
don't get me wrong I think simpler and sampler are good products
but if you're looking for a dedicated drum sampler mpc style that can do more than just play drums back - get battery
Help...Battery alternative within Live?
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I set up the blank 128 slot covert operator rack like this:Spiralgroove wrote:who can remember what slot 64 different sounds are in anyway?
i have a hard enough time with 16
drums on the white keys
cymbals and percussion on the black keys
(left to right...)
kicks then snares then toms then percussion
with cymbals, it's
closed hi-hats then open hi hats then crash then percussion
I repeat this pattern every 2 octaves, then I change octaves on my SL25 to go from kit to kit.
This also allows for mashing on the keys and beating the hits to get layered drum sounds.
Shortcircuit.
At the moment, can't use any of the Live built-in features to match the flexibility / workflow.
At the moment, can't use any of the Live built-in features to match the flexibility / workflow.
Sure. If you want to go way beyond a grid of samples then use Sampler in racks. You can even drop in a softsynth or Operator for a particular hit or use a Microtonic kick with a sampled snare and some fm hats going through a grain delay. Leaves Battery in the dust.Adonis wrote: but if you're looking for a dedicated drum sampler mpc style that can do more than just play drums back - get battery
Adonis, Like you ever quote something that isn't south park 
To each his own. The only thing i liked about battery was the fact that you could use it to play soundfonts.
But you don't need a drum sampler for that...
I'm all for racks. But I might be a bit biased
After making a few hundreds of these racks, i'll be damned if i ever go back to the old way.
I'm still figuring out new ways to abuse this feature. I've been figuring them out since Live 4.
Things can only get better from here.
To each his own. The only thing i liked about battery was the fact that you could use it to play soundfonts.
But you don't need a drum sampler for that...
I'm all for racks. But I might be a bit biased
After making a few hundreds of these racks, i'll be damned if i ever go back to the old way.
I'm still figuring out new ways to abuse this feature. I've been figuring them out since Live 4.
Things can only get better from here.
Me too. I hope we see a new market for simpler, special-purpose instruments designed with inclusion in hybrid racks. Like Microtonic but a single drum hit instead of a whole kit, for instance.hoffman2k wrote: After making a few hundreds of these racks, i'll be damned if i ever go back to the old way.
Star Wars, 2 weeks ago after my little brain was inundated with well, Star Wars - episodes 1 through 6 all sequential all weekend on Cinemaxhoffman2k wrote:Adonis, Like you ever quote something that isn't south park :wink:
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but I digress
I agree the rack's can be as powerful, complex and cool as you want them to be
I just prefer other people like (you) do the work for me ;)
but on the subject of homie here who wants Battery - I can't in gods good conscious tell someone so new to the sport of Ableton to build something he can just buy and get the same if not better results. plus a huge library of sounds to start with
perhaps he thinks like me, or maybe you or maybe he thinks for himself and will make whatever decision is best for him
later g
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Just build a basic rack of 8-16 Samplers, each mapped to one note in whatever keyrange you want. Adjust the rootkey of each one so the sample isn't transposed. Load in some default sounds in each Sampler and save the rack. Now you can use this as a starting point for whatever you want. Swap out samples, add per-instance effects to each one, replace a Sampler with Operator or a VST. Load midi effects on some of them to get arps/repeats. Load up a couple of beat repeats on the kick, map them to rack macros and play them in realtime.huffcw wrote:It would be great to see some of these racks - anyone willing to share?
Just use your imagination. Instead of waiting for NI to give you what you want you can build it yourself and make it as simple or complex as it needs to be.
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