The Delay Doubling Trick

Sebastian · Post by **Sebastian** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:01 pm

Hi

Im sure mny of you know about making fat guitar wall by double takes or copy paste and then some stereo delay.

My question is:

Does Live 5 have just delay. It seems all delays are these funky ones and where is the ms?

Also, add delay to both or just the doubled traack?

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:22 pm

you can use track delay, click on the buttons on the left hand side in session view (one will show the track delay)

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:41 pm

Or Simple Delay.

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:59 pm

If you've got the chops to record multiple takes, I think it will end up sounding better, because it will have slight variation, rather than a consistent offset via the delay...

sebovzeoueb · Post by **sebovzeoueb** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:07 pm

I find that double takes always sound better...

kaffein · Post by **kaffein** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:19 am

Usually a delay of 30-50ms is used only on double take guitar tracks that have the same tone. (ie: you didn't tweak the sound any between takes, or use a completely diff preset) This is because takes like that usually have phasing issues if the takes are almost identical.

When I do guitar tracks I take 4 tracks on stuff that needs to be loud. 2 of the tracks usually have the same really thick and spongy sound panned left and right 50-60%, and 2 other tracks are each completely diff tones with some extra mid range bite panned 60-75%. No track delays used unless I feel it needs to sound a little fuller or if there are phasing issues.

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:20 am

Live's Simple delay allows you to set the time in msecs. Adding the same delay to both tracks would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?

kaffein · Post by **kaffein** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:35 am

Michael-SW wrote:Live's Simple delay allows you to set the time in msecs. Adding the same delay to both tracks would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?

Yeap, you only need it on one for the doubling effect... You could also just use the track delay for the track itself.

Sebastian · Post by **Sebastian** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:12 pm

so Kaffein,

you end up doing 4 takes total?

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:42 pm

you can get good doubling results with sample offset, some very slight detuning, etc.

kaffein · Post by **kaffein** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:24 am

Sebastian wrote:so Kaffein,

you end up doing 4 takes total?

If doing super loud guitar stuff yeah, 4 takes per part.
Then of course I compress the living shit out of it.

billy1 · Post by **billy1** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:07 pm

doubling guitar parts?...definetelly wotth it to get multiple n' different takes!!..let's not be lazy on this guys pleeease!:)