a cheap quick dirty sampler, I need ideas

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:28 pm

ejectorset wrote:damn johnisfaster, it looks like are in gear buying mode. i've been there. fun/stressful.

anyways, since you were already looking towards the monome i wanted to show you this:

http://wiki.monome.org/view/AppMaxMspEmp

its one of the newer softwares for it. it isnt featured in a video yet. might be close to what you want.

i played around with it, kinda crazy. dont want to seem like a total fanboy, but this thing really really is amazing you should also see flip:
http://wiki.monome.org/view/AppMaxMspFlip

you basically route live audio through it or load a clip. it would work as a quick sampler like you are talkin about. record into one of its 4 "samplers" then resequence in real time using the monome pads. kinda like realtime recycle or a controllable beat repeat. hard to explain, awesome to use.

I am in buying mode your right. I recently started listening to all the old artists that I used to love and I'm re-falling in love with them and it accurred to me that those people used little machines with very limited capabilities and dirty sound and it also accured to me that when I listen to them I don't only enjoy the sounds I enjoy the mental image I get when I think of them hunched over a machine. I don't get that same fascination when I imagine someone hunched over a laptop. so I'm trying to take some pointers from the old school and I'm trying to buy some fx processors and samplers and such. I just bought an electribe (not exactly old school I know) and it's injected alot of inspiration into me. just touching something feels good ya know?
next step is to get my nord lead fixed.

I'm probably not gonna get the monome but I keep going back to it... it's a tough descision but I want 16 steps not 8.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:51 pm

also I forgot to add, it should have an option of inf. loop or decayed loop or decay loop (one button to bounce between), decay could be set with a knob so you can tweak the decay length at will and then tap a button and it goes to inf. loop while you play with the loop length

should I email all this to you?

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:54 pm

oh and everything has to be automatable. record start and stop included, this way in ableton you could automate the record button so that you grab new pieces of the incoming signal continuously, so if you put a grain delay and a autofilter in front of it and then automate the record button you will grab something totally new each time, and then a midi track off to the side is continuously sending whatever pattern you want to it.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:46 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:also I forgot to add, it should have an option of inf. loop or decayed loop or decay loop (one button to bounce between), decay could be set with a knob so you can tweak the decay length at will and then tap a button and it goes to inf. loop while you play with the loop length

should I email all this to you?

Yes please, and define "decayed loop" - you mean a volume envelope, yeah?

I was thinking that the best thing to have would be for it to playback (or loop, if activated) whenever the midi note was held - and keep it ghetto like that for the time being - TheFasterSampler_Beta1

I have a functional prototype now - it's actually heaps of fun, you can do really whacky scratch-type sounds with it, too.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:51 pm

yeah a volume envelope, and yes only playback when it recieves midi note. the decay should be able to last longer than the midi note though so you can send it quick rhythmic patterns in midi and make the decay really short for clicky sounds or longer. so I guess that would be more of a release.. but you get the idea.

what is your email? I could just copy and paste all this info and email it to ya.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:54 pm

it's the same as my msn info. awetterberg [(at]) post.cybercity.dk

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:04 pm

I copy and pasted most of my requests into an email with a little extra info at the bottom of it.

you rock machinate. I'm already drooling. I've wanted a plug like this for ages.

though... I think I'm still gonna buy the hardware

Spiralgroove · Post by **Spiralgroove** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:44 pm

have you looked at Slifty ?

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:53 pm

Spiralgroove wrote:have you looked at Slifty ?

I'm on mac, slifty is pc only. I've used all that guys plugs when I was on pc though, very good stuff.

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:27 pm

sorry i haven't checked back to this, i think i replied right before i went to bed.

what type of stuff are you looking to run into it? how long does the sample need to be? does it need to capture a perfect one-bar loop or anything crazy?

the Akai should be able to do most of what you'd like, if you're set on the hardware route (not sure if there's something else/better out there, but the start/end sliders are the shit). there's no sub-menus to be found, it's all right there. there's a 'monitor' level knob to let audio pass through un-effected (i don't think this goes through the filter). one-shot, loop, loop-reverse at the touch of a button (the membrane buttons are actually quite nice and robust on the Akai).

i'll try to do up some mp3 examples later tonight. any requests?

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:51 pm

jbuonacc wrote:sorry i haven't checked back to this, i think i replied right before i went to bed.

what type of stuff are you looking to run into it? how long does the sample need to be? does it need to capture a perfect one-bar loop or anything crazy?

the Akai should be able to do most of what you'd like, if you're set on the hardware route (not sure if there's something else/better out there, but the start/end sliders are the shit). there's no sub-menus to be found, it's all right there. there's a 'monitor' level knob to let audio pass through un-effected (i don't think this goes through the filter). one-shot, loop, loop-reverse at the touch of a button (the membrane buttons are actually quite nice and robust on the Akai).

i'll try to do up some mp3 examples later tonight. any requests?

awesome man thanks for the advice, as far as hardware goes it sounds like exactly what I want. I'm planning on running all sorts of things into it like my nord lead or just a radio tuned to static stations. doesn't need to sync at all in fact most of the sounds are going to be very short and semi drum like

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:55 pm

cool, i'll run some vocal snippets, noise, and stuff into it. i'll try not to take too long, but i've got to run out in a bit.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:07 am

awesome man, i'm probably picking one up right away. I like the looks of it because it's very basic and all right in front of you so you can tap tap tap and make noise with it right away

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:38 am

cool, i'm back now from running an errand and will get to work on some examples. i did remember that i used it to good effect in one track from five years ago:

http://www.soundclick.com/util/download ... C45E2B02-C

the sound from the Akai can be heard pretty much from the start as a rhythmic clicking. at about 2:45 into it (sorry) i started playing around with the s/e sliders and filter.

i've been thinking about selling it for years. i actually did trade it towards my MPC when i got that, but bought it back from them a month later because i felt i couldn't live without it. let me know if you have any trouble finding one.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:22 am

wanna sell to me by any chance? I just lost my bidding on ebay for it.