Abeton can invest in a New York Office but no subgroups

[sqook]

sqook were u speaking to me ? I am confused cause you quoted me but talked about something else ... anyway about the things you talked about.

I quoted you because it was easier than going back one page and replying to the OP; and also because you agreed with him. However, my comments were more directed towards him than you.

On expecting stability - Good if thats what we get but with ableton its a new version and new bugs (ie some old ones fixed and a whole new load of problems eg rounding errors in version 6 all over the place. Rewire no longer works nice on OSX. No joy. Arrangement problems same. etc). So I dunno but it doesn't seem to make sense that I've paid for stability cause its the same old same old innit. Nice thought "stability/bug fix" but I don't buy that.

My point is, people are reaching the point where they expect ableton to be rock solid (and why shouldn't they?). At the same time, the company is being forced to implement new features to stay competitive. This is where the conflict of interest comes from.

Multi-processor support, for instance, is a feature big enough to shake up the codebase, but I wouldn't go so far to blame it on every bug people see in live6.

On New Features - Well we all know features sell the update or else who's gonna update and how will you market it ? The point I tried to make was which features should be added first ie not useless fuc*in' video support (Gimmick = Sellout). Useful DAW stuff like the ability to group tracks, proper arrangement improvements, the simple obvious DAW shi* thats lacking etc. Arrangement is rubbish and needs to be sorted sooner rather than later. Give us some tools and make it quicker and easier to do proper edits there. Also fix the audio problems we have been moaning about now for numerous versions. Live is weak when it comes to normal playback bits of audio when cut up (Consolidate = no good)

On the bottom line - I don't expect revolution nor do most of us. I am a happy Live user generally (Although I would like DAW simple stuff not gimmicks). I am not stupid and also not blind. There is a community set up which I am part of and if I want to say something about Live (Complaint or Praise) I will do so. Thats the way the world turns. No brown-nose here and no BS.

Good; glad we agree on this.

Oh and my mixing is sweet but thanks for asking.

This was also a little stab directed at the original poster... I'm sure your mixing is just dandy

[WaveRider]

They invest time money and energy in to everything else but the software. Still no proper subgroups but Im real delighted they have five staff at the new york office. That will help my mixing a lot. Its fucking obvious now this rag tad greedy fucks are taking the piss out of their users especially. Its all about keeping back needed and wanted features for updates. They know the people wanted proper subs and you bet they had a meeting about it and decided that will be in live 7 of course to fleece your wallet again. Think about it kids, their taking the piss big time.
Even digidesign hasnt fleeced their customers on anything like the scale of this bunch.
Heinke you should be fucking ashamed of your self.
wankers!

agree 100% live stands stills as for features... stop the money making strategies and deliver! I am thinking of switching any day because of missing features and quirks that stayed the same since V4.

I neded a sequencer, not half baked instruments...

I think I have right to complain because if I add the price of the original puchase + 2 updates that is some money!!!!! And they do not add or fix much.

[WaveRider]

bashing abes for some of their misleading feature quotes

agree, a vst host is supposed to automate all parameters not only the 128 first. I am running daily into that wall, since v4... I cannot even use my paid for vst's properly. So I will have to buy another host.

[mbenigni]

He's either trolling, using the wrong tool for the job, or both.

Live rocks. It doesn't do everything. It doesn't do my laundry either, and neither does Pro Tools. But Live rocks.

[mbenigni]

agree, a vst host is supposed to automate all parameters not only the 128 first. I am running daily into that wall, since v4... I cannot even use my paid for vst's properly. So I will have to buy another host.

I hate this too, but FWIW, I've never found ANY host that did not exhibit this problem. I think it might be a shortcoming in Steinberg's VST specification, or it wouldn't be common to so many hosts.

[Poster]

agree, a vst host is supposed to automate all parameters not only the 128 first. I am running daily into that wall, since v4... I cannot even use my paid for vst's properly. So I will have to buy another host.

as hoffman2k already said; don't you think it's all relative?

so what if they had come with a solution for the 128 parameter limit instead of spending time and effort on implementing the video support?

that would've made you happy, the video people not..

maybe try to see the bigger picture, not only your private wishlist..

[b0unce]

ableton's business plan stinks

I'm not a part of the 'give me more features' crew, but I am completely aware of how important features are with-held until the next yearly update. during the live 6 beta, prior to the public beta, everyone was raving about the midi-stretch feature. raving I say. and low & behold its held back. Because its buggy ? Pleeeeease, live 6 is buggy...dropping a feature cos its buggy, you might as well drop the whole thing.

anyways, I'm all about the STABILITY. misleading people into buying live 5 (no 'on the fly looping' until 5.0.3, uneven loops bug - a major spanner in the works) was simply rotten. Announcing live 6 only weeks, perhaps 5 or 6 weeks, after they got live 5 to work - that was classy. Finding out coding resources were being spent on developing SAMPLER instead of STABILISING live 5 sooner - that was classy too.

and, for all the fuckin time they spent on the SAMPLER....its -still- got an annoying f-ing bug which means I cant import my exs patches grunt. i.e, its useless to me until I can use it as a basic multi-sampler.

I'm gonna do what knotkranky does, I need to downgrade what I expect from live - certainly you need to erase the marketing spiel out of your head, phrases like 'on the fly looping' and 'multi sampler' can only lead to pro-longed disappointment, followed by 6 weeks of stability, followed by live 7 and slew of features which wont work right until 6 weeks before live 8.

[hoffman2k]

FYI. MIDI stretch is back. They fixed that bug

[Johnisfaster]

FYI. MIDI stretch is back. They fixed that bug

interesting that he's bitching about a feature missing when it's actually there.

[Johnisfaster]

wasn't mercyplease getting an mpc and ditching live entirely? why bitch about live if you're not even using it anymore? sell the thing on ebay (if it's a legit copy) and spend your merry days using your box with buttons.

[Tone Deft]

wasn't mercyplease getting an mpc and ditching live entirely? why bitch about live if you're not even using it anymore? sell the thing on ebay (if it's a legit copy) and spend your merry days using your box with buttons.

He just comes here because it's an unmoderated site where he can be a prick, sad really.

[b0unce]

wow, when did they implement midi stretch ?

its moot anyways, no amount of midi stretching is going to get SAMPLER to import my exs patches.

[snowtires]

When a software product gains enough momentum, people shift from expecting innovation to exepcting stability.

is that what live 6 was supposed to offer? because it crashes twice as much as 5 did. that mercy dude may be a dick, but i think his point is valid. why do we have to wait a year or more between major releases for the abes to implement new features into the program? most major daw software platforms release new features with each incremental update, on top of bug fixes. all the abes do is release an 'update' to the program and then fix the bugs for a year until the next 'update.'

if they're going for new features, they're obviously not paying attention to what their paying customers want. case in point: time signature automation. how long have people been asking for this? and, instead, we get the 'dynamic tube' plugin. please. does anyone actually use that garbage?

[Tone Deft]

When a software product gains enough momentum, people shift from expecting innovation to exepcting stability.

is that what live 6 was supposed to offer? because it crashes twice as much as 5 did. that mercy dude may be a dick, but i think his point is valid. why do we have to wait a year or more between major releases for the abes to implement new features into the program? most major daw software platforms release new features with each incremental update, on top of bug fixes. all the abes do is release an 'update' to the program and then fix the bugs for a year until the next 'update'

Stability begins with the user. Live 6 is largely agreed as being much more stable than Live 5, even then, Live 5 has been played over LOUD PAs for HUGE crowds for thousands of hours by DJs who got PAID.

Rebuild your machine.

What kills me are the loud and lazy whiners (not you man) who are careless with setting up their DAW computer, not enough RAM, unsafe web surfing, incorrect drivers, they don't rebuild the OS every year or two etc. Then they start popping off about how unstable Live is.

[theshaggyfreak]

What kills me are the loud and lazy whiners (not you man) who are careless with setting up their DAW computer, not enough RAM, unsafe web surfing, incorrect drivers, they don't rebuild the OS every year or two etc. Then they start popping off about how unstable Live is.

In my experience, most of the people I've met are clueless about how to maintain a system. I have very few major issues with a lot of the major software packages that are out there. I've had very few problems with Live, Reason, Pro Tools, etc. Granted, I spent 10 years working in IT support fixing these things but I still find myself constantly learning tricks to keep my systems clean. That's another reason that I'm moving over to OSX, I guess. I'm finding that I have to do less to keep the system at an optimal level. These days I feel that maintaining your machine is just as (if not more) important as learning how to use the software you own.