Apple Phone: They had me at "Scrolling"...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:54 am

I think you're right about the iPhone though that thing will sell like nobody's business.

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:06 am

Machinesworking wrote:I think you're right about the iPhone though that thing will sell like nobody's business.

Sorry, I did lose my cool. Zappen got me all worked up! But I actually agree with most of what you say. Roll your own and Apple making the hardware? Yes! As long as OEM doesn't and that's where the problem always was in the PC world I think. I would LOVE to have Apple release OS X so I can build my own "Mac" but I doubt that would ever happen.

Yes, they did struggle with changing things too much in the OS9 to OS X beginning which gave headaches to many developers, but like you say, those days are hopfully gone. They've also made it easier with XCode I feel being that it is fairly universal and allowed the Unix world to have a less expensive alternative to their Sun and SGI platforms (look at how many scientists have switched to Macs!)

Again, I do apologize for losing it, but this Zappen troll is making completely uselss arguments just to bash Apple and misquoting me just to bring me into a fight, and it got me all aggro.. I should know better.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:42 am

One way that Gates' genius would have shone differently than Jobs' is by not crippling the phone by marrying it to EDGE technology. From CNET...

Though we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM 850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is a bit bizarre...

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:48 am

Anubis wrote:One way that Gates' genius would have shone differently than Jobs' is by not crippling the phone by marrying it to EDGE technology. From CNET...

Though we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM 850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is a bit bizarre...

That makes no sense. What makes you think Gates would have gone one way or the other? Do you read his mind? And many of these reports have been slighty wrong, Jobs has stated that 3G is coming in interviews (and even in the iPhone version of the Keynote at time 00:24:00, though in there he alludes to future iPhones) The damn thing is not even out yet so why don't you all wait and give it a chance...

And here is a little side by side comparision of the most popular smartphones and the iPhone. Some use different data networking, but none use WiFi like the iPhone and none using 3G (at least in America.)

http://tnl.net/blog/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-here/

And as for EDGE, this is the classification:

"Whether EDGE is 2G or 3G depends on implementation. While Class 3 and below EDGE devices clearly are not 3G, class 4 and above devices perform at a higher bandwidth than other technologies conventionally considered as 3G (such as 1xRTT). Because of the variability, EDGE is generally classified as 2.75G network technology."

Not that big of a difference than 3G, though it is up to the carrier, and that is one thing Jobs is trying to do with Cingular (who, by the way, I don't particularly like Cingular as I've had nothing but troubles with them) is to change their network. He got them to completely redesign their horrendous voicemail system and that's a pretty major undertaking!

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:25 am

Anubis wrote:One way that Gates' genius would have shone differently than Jobs' is by not crippling the phone by marrying it to EDGE technology. From CNET...

Though we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM 850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is a bit bizarre...

I also like the way you pull the one so-so paragraph out of the 16 paragraph story out of context. Let's everyone have a look at the full story:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_iPhone/45 ... 80293.html

Their finally assessment?

Overall, however, and despite the high price, we predict an iPhone success.

Or one from the people at PC Magazine that actually got to try it hands-on (since that c/net reviewer didn't even touch it):

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2082444,00.asp

I'm only fighting this so hard as the devil's advocate because so many (obvious PC Users) are bashing this iPhone without ever even having a chance to try it out... 5 months before it is even released or finished for that matter! (Jobs did say there are still features not yet activated that will be by release time.)

So let's give it a rest until it is released, and if I'm wrong, I will owe you all a big apology. And if you are wrong, you'll just continue bashing Apple like you always do...

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:29 am

iphone?

how bout ifinger!

it's a PHONE.....ya know? Everyone has one.......can get em for free......?

I'm excited for anyone who wants one.......but 600 bucks? NO! I'll use that for music stuff thanks

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:34 pm

eyeknow wrote:iphone?

how bout ifinger!

it's a PHONE.....ya know? Everyone has one.......can get em for free......?

I'm excited for anyone who wants one.......but 600 bucks? NO! I'll use that for music stuff thanks

Maybe you are too narrow-minded to get the point? 200+ patents applied for and related to this device that will change the entire computing AND communications world, but to you, it's just a phone. Great! Then you won't get one and I will and we'll both be happy.

I just love all these optimists on these forums!

Never have I've seen such negativity and short-sightedness. I thought Live users of all people could appreciate new technology that really is trying to do something different...

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:09 pm

Genshi come on chill, does Apple and Jobs mean so much to your emotional state? I made it clear what is my impression about those but what "whatever his name" writes about that Iphonewants either:
1. to piss you
2. to tease you
3. He has no clue about phone or any other technology
4. Is intellectually challanged
5. he never seen the presentation
I was a bit sceptical about that fuss- like everyone else couldnt imagine any company being able to do that- set themselves years ahead of competition- . It is a killer product, everyone in right senses knows that. I am amazed by what Apple does, first Ipod, then coming with notebookd priced like pc but giving more value for money, now this. After all even Apple haters ( who are absolutely matching Apple maniacs in their stupidity) will benefit since the competitors have to streach. Normal user like myself (who buys what he needs and not what is told to) cannot be more pleased, if Microsoft would be only IT power we will be all like Iraquis.

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:43 pm

rikhyray wrote:Genshi come on chill, does Apple and Jobs mean so much to your emotional state? I made it clear what is my impression about those but what "whatever his name" writes about that Iphonewants either:
1. to piss you
2. to tease you
3. He has no clue about phone or any other technology
4. Is intellectually challanged
5. he never seen the presentation
I was a bit sceptical about that fuss- like everyone else couldnt imagine any company being able to do that- set themselves years ahead of competition- . It is a killer product, everyone in right senses knows that. I am amazed by what Apple does, first Ipod, then coming with notebookd priced like pc but giving more value for money, now this. After all even Apple haters ( who are absolutely matching Apple maniacs in their stupidity) will benefit since the competitors have to streach. Normal user like myself (who buys what he needs and not what is told to) cannot be more pleased, if Microsoft would be only IT power we will be all like Iraquis.

I know, i know.

I just hate ignorance when it's so simple to research this stuff and for them to see for themselves, but you're right, I am stressing over nothing... I just have this crazy passion for technology in general. I dono't go out and buy the latest buzz, I research and buy what I think is going to be the best thing for me. And I have been slightly wrong in the past (I was one of the first to buy a Beta Video player which was better than VHS, but just didn't take off for consumers, though still used in Post Production houses.)

In any case, I'll try to chill...

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:24 pm

rikhyray wrote:Genshi come on chill, does Apple and Jobs mean so much to your emotional state? I made it clear what is my impression about those but what "whatever his name" writes about that Iphonewants either:
1. to piss you
2. to tease you
3. He has no clue about phone or any other technology
4. Is intellectually challanged
5. he never seen the presentation

Really man, take off that tight black turtle neck and take a few deep breaths

If rikhy is referring to me in point #3 then he's dead wrong. I've been using an EVDO phone for seven months now and I know alot about the current flock of "smartphones". Spent many months over at Howard Forums and have learned alot and done a couple hacks myself. I'm not trying to knock the product, in fact, I'll prolly be one of the first to get one!
I was merely pointing out the weak link in your Messiah's implementation scheme. Real-life use of EDGE data streams tops out at 80 to 120 kbps. That's slooow! My current experience with EVDO can hit one megabit per second. Bottom line- iPhone users are gonna be very frustrated on their creepy crawly Safaris. FWIW- Verizon and Sprint are in a position to be the first ones to roll out true 3G data networks because of their lead in the requisite infrastructure. Cingular will likely be the last. So that means your dazzling Safaris will be limited to Starbucks.

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:34 pm

dunno if was posted in this thread, cant be bnothered readign it al!

heres a video of the iphone in action...

http://www.youtube.com/v/YgW7or1TuFk

marky · Post by **marky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:43 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
sqook wrote:
buzzcock wrote:if it's intel based, shouldn't it run windows too?

Then with enough games it could be a PSP kller as well!
The processor hasn't been selected. Since OSX is built on FreeBSD, it's easy to port it to a wide number of platforms (as already show by apple).

I should also mention that I did some extra poking around in Xcode 3.0 and the leopard beta that I've got, and there are no tools at all for porting to other architectures, other than PPC and x86 (though 64 bit support seems to have been improved). It's clear that apple doesn't want to make tihs information public yet, for whatever reason.

I'll put down a 10$ bet on it being an ARM device, though. Just seems like the natural choice.
10$ says it's a PPC e600 core just to spite me.

Well you owe someone $10.

It's ARM all-round. Actually there's most likely somewhere between 2 and 6 of them.. ... Samsung, Marvell, Broadcom, and Infineon all have subsystems inside the iPhone and any one of them can be using at least 1 ARM core.

Intel have already denied any processor inclusion in the product. And PPC doesn't make any sense.

veggieryan · Post by **veggieryan** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:55 pm

when will we see a mutlitouch tablet or laptop? probably next keynote?

... even i would buy one of those!

earthloop · Post by **earthloop** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:00 pm

kabuki wrote:... and LOST me at "Cingular"

Anyone else really bummed that Apple has partnered again, thus shutting out better choices?

They lost me at 'Phone'!!!

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:09 am

genshi wrote:
eyeknow wrote:iphone?

how bout ifinger!

it's a PHONE.....ya know? Everyone has one.......can get em for free......?

I'm excited for anyone who wants one.......but 600 bucks? NO! I'll use that for music stuff thanks
Maybe you are too narrow-minded to get the point? 200+ patents applied for and related to this device that will change the entire computing AND communications world, but to you, it's just a phone. Great! Then you won't get one and I will and we'll both be happy.

I just love all these optimists on these forums! Never have I've seen such negativity and short-sightedness. I thought Live users of all people could appreciate new technology that really is trying to do something different...

I'd appreciate LESS CELLPHONES not more.

And I/we could care less about your opinion anymore than you care about ours.

"oh boy! an iphone.........!"

ps, if cisco gets their way, there won't ever be an iphone anyways....

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