Apple Phone: They had me at "Scrolling"...

[info_warfare]

You know Zappen, you are a complete idiot and I'm sick of dealing with you. Are you still in High School or something? READ WHAT I SAID. I did NOT predict MP3 players would be huge, I predicted the iPod would be huge at a time that there were already MP3 players like the Nomad with it's 20GB hard drive (the first iPod only had 5GB) and the majority of people including Apple fans were saying this was going to be the biggest failure for Apple and that it was a waste of time and too little too late! Don't believe me, here is the thread (which I've already posted here once before but since you don't actually read everything, here it is again) from 2001 on the Macrumors site. Everyone should read this and see how people are saying almost the EXACT same thing about the first iPod as what people are saying now about the iPhone. Nobody thought it would be revolutionary, but it's not just a popular mp3 player [the iPod] it completely changed the way we consume music. It forced record companies to change the way they sell their Music. And now more people legally download music at a point that it will eventually put the CD business, out of business.

You keep saying "useless Multitouch" but that's because you haven't the brain to see the big picture of where this can lead to. And I've said all of this before and I hate repeating myself, so next time READ what I said and don't misquote me Zappen you little @sswipe. It's one thing having a legitamate debate, but if you are going to "lol" at me and misquote me, then you ARE an idiot.

LOL pussy! Are you getting crazy for the iphone buddy? hahaha
so much to start insultin who ever doesn't agree with you?
fyi you insults just slide on me..
btw isn't the ipod a mp3 player?

i don't care what you keep pasting about people said back in the 2001 at macrumors about ipods, failure, deal, imoh the little ipod success is due to the hype created by users like you that as sheeps , doesn't have a clue and just chooses apple because looks cool ...

i seen like 3 ipods in my whole life and they havn't changed anything in my life or the way i consume music,same goes for my friends, realize it! we don't use itunes ot icraps.
ipod and apple could have changed you, but not me.

about the iphone i doubt it's gonna be happend like with the ipod hype again, is not like in the past.
pocketpc phones are out since some good years before the iphone, not months and they do much more than what a iphone can do.. want to talk about software? just try google for pocketpc software...

all i see is apple is jumping on a bandwagon

about dual touchscreen, because that what the iphone has, dual touch, do they recycled macbooks mousepads? lol!
well about it, pleasse show me the big picture of where this can lead to on the ipone.
please dear do so !
i can only guess it could compensate the only 1 hardware button? hhaha
or it could be quicker to type text, quicker then a landscape sliding querty keyboard?

You're a little punk Zappen. Wy don't you grow up and stop saying shit you don't even know about?

You said: "btw isn't the ipod a mp3 player? "
- that genshi made it clear that wasn't the point. So what's your prob?

You said: ipod and apple could have changed you, but not me.
- No actually the iPod has about 70% market share of all MP3 players. So it changed A LOT of people; and if Mac users only make up less than 6% of the computer users, then that means a lot of NON Mac users bought the iPod. Get your shit straight.

You say: i seen like 3 ipods in my whole life and they havn't changed anything in my life or the way i consume music
- That's becasue you are far behind the times! Actually thanks to iPod and it's iTunes companion, the music industry has changed to the point where more people have bought music online more than ever before, effectively hurting CD sales and forcing record companies to partner with online services for the benifit of us consumers, with the largest one being... *drumroll* ... iTunes! Fancy that? Seems you missed the boat on that news.

You say: just try google for pocketpc software...
- Not the same. (did you bother watching the Keynotw video?) Apple partnered with Google to make the most powerful version of Google Maps and Google Earth yet. So the version on the iPhone is not the same on your primitive Pocket PC (oops, there's the problem, you are afraid you'lll be left behind with your old school toy!)

You say: about dual touchscreen, because that what the iphone has, dual touch, do they recycled macbooks mousepads? lol!
- Wrong again. Look at the patent. Multitouch calls for from 2 to many touchs including detecting between light and hard touchs, fast and slow, etc. And look at the physics built into the touch when they scroll (the enertia, etc.) plus 3D gestures. Nope, this is light years ahead of anything.

I'm going to have to say you're the pussy for being such a short-sited schoolyard bully! Now Come To Daddy and get your spankin!

[R.J.Dubya]

Hey guys, watcha talkin' bout?

Anyone figured out if macs or PC's are better yet? I've always wondered that but nobody ever wants to talk about it....

[info_warfare]

Hey guys, watcha talkin' bout?

Anyone figured out if macs or PC's are better yet? I've always wondered that but nobody ever wants to talk about it....

lol Good one. But I think it is clear that nothing beats this.

[eyeknow]

we're talking about iphone, the most important product EVER!

If I don't get one soon.......I'll just have to slit my wrists

It's going to sell like hotcakes (or er, iphones) but who cares? Since when would us abe users cares about the marketing stratagies of a phone maker? When it's out and runs logicpro, live, bfd, addictive drums, urs plugins, and can bluetooth 24/96 rendering of tracks with advanced midi editing so you can do your beats/synth stuff while in line for a mocha......then call me!

[axou]

Multitouch calls for from 2 to many touchs including detecting between light and hard touchs, fast and slow, etc. And look at the physics built into the touch when they scroll (the enertia, etc.) plus 3D gestures. Nope, this is light years ahead of anything.

Ever heard of the Lemur ?

[info_warfare]

Multitouch calls for from 2 to many touchs including detecting between light and hard touchs, fast and slow, etc. And look at the physics built into the touch when they scroll (the enertia, etc.) plus 3D gestures. Nope, this is light years ahead of anything.

Ever heard of the Lemur ?

Yep, lovely piece of kit. But it's expensive, doesn't make phones calls, can't play my video library on it or have Google Earth. See... that's the point. Apple figured out away to do all of that for way less money. Now image, since Apple owns Logic, what if THEY decide to release an Apple MIDI controler just like the Lemur... but for $399! Watch for announcments soon!

[pilcrow]

I know you'd rather not...but which creative model did he have, machines?
theres only one with a decent navigation method, the one I got

creative did some touch-control jobbies, but they sucked too.

the one I use has a small wheel on the side, like the pitch-bend of a keyboard in that it always returns to -centre- , and you can push it like a button to select. its got a little nipple in the centre too. the longer you hold it up or down the faster it will scroll through your mp3s (probably just like the ipod, seeing as they stole the system from creative!)
simple, elegant & very accurate.
a couple of buttons on either side of the unit (like forward, back, menu, off, etc - not to mention they are sized differently so you can tell which is which without looking) + that wheel, and thats your navigation.
you can use it while its in your pocket, because you can feel the buttons, I'm not sure how the ipod fares out in that department. isnt it all touch-sensor control ?

I much prefer my Creative MP3 player to the iPods that my children have been conditioned to prefer. I don't like being tied to iTunes. I like the ability to drag & drop my files. I don't like DRM schemes. I'm old enough to remember the days of buying music and--once I'd bought it--doing whatever I liked with it.

Good article today in the NY times on the subject of the iPhone, mp3s and DRM.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/busin ... 4digi.html

[zappen]

LOL

[Machinesworking]

Good article today in the NY times on the subject of the iPhone, mp3s and DRM.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/busin ... 4digi.html

Here's the quote that kills me!

The only legal way around this built-in limitation is to strip out the copy protection by burning a CD with the tracks, then uploading the music back to the computer. If you’re willing to go to that trouble, you can play the music where and how you choose — the equivalent to rights that would have been granted automatically at the cash register if you had bought the same music on a CD in the first place.

OMG! OMG! Apple put in a simple VERY easily stripped form of copy protection that pleased the record companies, and even your six year old could [k]rack

[zappen]

You're a little punk Zappen. Wy don't you grow up and stop saying shit you don't even know about?

You said: "btw isn't the ipod a mp3 player? "
- that genshi made it clear that wasn't the point. So what's your prob?

You said: ipod and apple could have changed you, but not me.
- No actually the iPod has about 70% market share of all MP3 players. So it changed A LOT of people; and if Mac users only make up less than 6% of the computer users, then that means a lot of NON Mac users bought the iPod. Get your shit straight.

You say: i seen like 3 ipods in my whole life and they havn't changed anything in my life or the way i consume music
- That's becasue you are far behind the times! Actually thanks to iPod and it's iTunes companion, the music industry has changed to the point where more people have bought music online more than ever before, effectively hurting CD sales and forcing record companies to partner with online services for the benifit of us consumers, with the largest one being... *drumroll* ... iTunes! Fancy that? Seems you missed the boat on that news.

hahahah looking at www.appledefects.com i guess 50% of 70% the marketshare are broken or non working ipods
btw...
hahha i have no probs, just fun!
i meant it had to be very easy to predict the world invasion of the mp3 players in that time!
you may think the ipod changed the world and the music industry, i think the digital compressed audio formats as mp3 changed em.
ipod has just been a lucky trend for teens in the right moment, but as any trend it will change.. you are free to follow iteen's trend for all your ilife if you iwish...
the point is, is not the ipod or itunes the revolution, but the digital compressed audio formats.

personally i doubt i could find anything decent on itunes,
For me it's basically bs music(commercial crap) on a bs program(itunes) by a bs lying company(apple)
and see where your popular music industry is leading too, riaa and such...
congratulations about the ipod phenomenon! you are part of it i guess!
enjoy it!
i prefer to go with my own boat ;D

You say: just try google for pocketpc software...
- Not the same. (did you bother watching the Keynotw video?) Apple partnered with Google to make the most powerful version of Google Maps and Google Earth yet. So the version on the iPhone is not the same on your primitive Pocket PC (oops, there's the problem, you are afraid you'lll be left behind with your old school toy!)

the most powerful version of Google Maps and Google Earth? lol you know apple used to pump a lot and say they are the best in the world anytime,
don't belive all what they say!
in the meanwhile Windows Mobile users has been allowed to use those services since years... who's late? enjoy you still non existing newbie toy!

Within a few months, (the time the iphone will be released) there could be even more powerful versions of maps and earthg out for the windows mobile
Have you seen about the new realistic 3d maps of windows live? that's innovation! do you know windows live is currently developed for windows mobile too?
not to forget the advantage to hook up a gps receiver , that makes sense to use maps services ... i havn't heard anything in the apple keynote about gps..

You say: about dual touchscreen, because that what the iphone has, dual touch, do they recycled macbooks mousepads? lol!
- Wrong again. Look at the patent. Multitouch calls for from 2 to many touchs including detecting between light and hard touchs, fast and slow, etc. And look at the physics built into the touch when they scroll (the enertia, etc.) plus 3D gestures. Nope, this is light years ahead of anything.

I heard the iphone it's dual touch, if i'm wrong post some tech infos, on the apple site they just say mutitouch... they do not mention pressure sensivity, may it have been patented but not used in the iphone?
the proximity sensor was already in the nokia 7650, nothing new again..
fast and slow? do you need some uber special hardware to detect the time difference between the points touched on the screen? nope it's just a couple of lines of code.
same for the physics built into the touch when they scroll it's just a matter of programming, you know apple likes those fashion details.
you can do the same in flash on a windowmobile device, you can use/build flash interfaces because flash 7 is supported since years on windowsmobile, how's on the still non existing iphone?


I'm going to have to say you're the pussy for being such a LONG-sited schoolyard bully! Now Come To P. DIddy and get your spunkin!

[knotkranky]

I haven't read the whole thread but, which phone is better than the iPhone ? Cuz i'll get that instead. Anybody ?

[pilcrow]

I haven't read the whole thread but, which phone is better than the iPhone ? Cuz i'll get that instead. Anybody ?

I use a Nokia 6103. Well made, and works like a charm.

[knotkranky]

I haven't read the whole thread but, which phone is better than the iPhone ? Cuz i'll get that instead. Anybody ?

I use a Nokia 6103. Well made, and works like a charm.

It's better than the iPhone ?

btw, I'm not concerned about the cost. Treo 650, cingular here.

[pilcrow]

I haven't read the whole thread but, which phone is better than the iPhone ? Cuz i'll get that instead. Anybody ?

I use a Nokia 6103. Well made, and works like a charm.

It's better than the iPhone ?

btw, I'm not concerned about the cost. Treo 650, cingular here.

I've not made a call on the iPhone, so can't comment on its virtues as a phone. But yeah, the iPhone certainly does a lot of other stuff, if that's what you're after. And if money's no object, then I say go for it! BTW, Jobs will have a new one to sell you in a year or so, so don't put your wallet away too quickly.

As for the "convenience" of having all that functionality in one device, that's just not lighting my fire. I'm way too connected already as it is! I need fewer pathways for knuckleheads to reach me, not more!

[kooki415]

sure the technology is nothing new. apple just has the balls to put it together in a package thats easy to use and looks dope.

it was the same with the original ipod. all of the technology in that was made outside of apple, apple just put together the pieces.

apple has never really been about making ground breaking technology, just designing gagets people can actually use.