preparing loops - need some tips!

Layla Nahar · Post by **Layla Nahar** » Mon May 17, 2004 3:30 pm

Hi,

I've just started using live. I took some of my favorite songs, made little aif files of parts I'd like to loop and dropped them into a live set.

I was really stunned by how live interprets the BPMs. In one case, clips from the same song came out with wildly different bpms. and whats more, I couldn't adjust the bpm *down* by putting a new value in the bpm field under the warp section in the interface. (the most frustrating case is that in a 118 bpm song, a hand drum solo, still with the fundamental pulse at 118 is being interpreted by Live as 154 bpm - so it sounds really awful when played as a clip)

So, Im guessing that careful editing of the clips in my favorite editor is key ... but I could sure use some suggestions or guidelines, or some insight as to how live is calculating bpms - the really frustating thing is that once live has made up its mind about the bpms, it seems theres no changing it ... (I tried editing my drum solo to just two cycles of the rhythm - but it still comes up as 154 bpm

WOW - totally by accident I just found the solution - I'm gonna keep this post, and the solution, in case it helps anybody else

Beneath the "OrigBpm" feild are two little buttons - one says ":2" the other says "*2" that will half or double your original bpm. I halved 154 to 72, and then I could type in a new original bpm - 118 - sounds great now.

Still, if anybody knows a less hack approach, I'd really like to know it.

Thanks very much

Layla Nahar

drush · Post by **drush** » Mon May 17, 2004 4:53 pm

search the forums or read the manual for topics on warp markers. it seems to be a hard thing to get your head around or really easy, depending on who you talk to

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 17, 2004 5:56 pm

or check out the ableton tutorial on warp markers

http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=t ... b=tips0504

Layla Nahar · Post by **Layla Nahar** » Mon May 17, 2004 6:29 pm

Thanks for such a quick response. I tried it & now I have follow up questions.

Arent warp markers for tweaking parts of a clip that's a little out of time here & there? Does one use them for changing the percived speed of the whole clip? When, as you suggest, I move the markers around to speed up the clip & eliminate the artifacts so that the clip can play close to its original speed, only part of the clip is affected. at the end of the clip all of a sudden the last few seconds are a a a l l s s st r e e e ch e d o o o u u u ttt. Is there something I'm missing?

Rx · Post by Rx » Mon May 17, 2004 6:57 pm

warp markers also serve to tell Live exactly how long a track is. i bet if you look at the file that's streeeetched out at the end that there's one last warp marker. uncheck it and it should sound normal (or more normal). when you import longer loops, Live makes a wild guess at the length and the last warp marker can be totally off.

Chris Ochre · Post by **Chris Ochre** » Mon May 17, 2004 8:22 pm

If you find Live won't allow you to alter the tempo of a loop, turning Warp off then on again (ie, double-click it) will then let you alter it - you'll have to re-enable looping though.

Layla Nahar · Post by **Layla Nahar** » Wed May 19, 2004 11:27 pm

Rx wrote: i bet if you look at the file that's streeeetched out at the end that there's one last warp marker. uncheck it and it should sound normal (or more normal). .

*That* was the ticket. Unchecking the last marker, then a little tweaking of where the new 'last' marker should be and now I have my loop recogonized as 118 bpm and playing at 118 bpm with now artifacts. Kool!!

raapie · Post by **raapie** » Thu May 20, 2004 1:22 pm

is this done as a sort of protection maybe so you won't freakup too quickly ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:40 pm

raapie wrote:is this done as a sort of protection maybe so you won't freakup too quickly ?

maybe*nothing* will stop me from the FREAKUP

preparing loops - need some tips!

preparing loops - need some tips!

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