Can I use my first loop recordng to determine length of rest

Loopy-Joe · Post by **Loopy-Joe** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:13 pm

I'm doing some live on the fly looping...I DONT WANT TO USE THE QUANTISE...After I recored my first loop on track 1 say...how can I get the next few loops on track 2 and 3 to conform thier length to the first loop...Its kinda like quantising the lenghths of all the following loops to the first. But I dont want to be restricted by the tempo and quantise on the initial loop.
Any suggestions????

dave_house · Post by **dave_house** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:20 pm

the only way that springs to mind is to be very accurate when you trigger the start and end of the new recording and make sure that it's in sync with the 1st loop.

A foot pedal or some other MIDI controller would make life easier. Just assign a pedal/key/whatever to the new slot, hit it at the beginning of the 1st loop to start the new recording, do your creative business, then hit it again as the 1st loop ends. The new recording should be looped over the same time.

Loopy-Joe · Post by **Loopy-Joe** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:27 pm

I should have elaborated
I'm using an FCB1010 floor control.
I'm also playing with loopy Llama which is very cool but basicaklly I want Live to behave like a multitrack looper laying down loops on tracks 1 then 2 then 3 etc.
I know I can set a tempo and quantise to bar...but some of the music is ambient and has no tempo..so I dont want to have to establish tempo and bar length. I just want to lay down the first loop on track 1 in free time and then jump to track 2 and have the next loop sync up with the start and end of loop 1.
Any thoughts????

dave_house · Post by **dave_house** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:37 pm

im afraid not... ive been working on a live looping setup with an FCB1010 but which involves some very strict quantization and a pre-set tempo, so probably not much good to you! Good luck

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:37 pm

you don't want to quantise but you're asking to quantise to loop #1, rethink your method. I can't get into it right now. my $0.02.

Loopy-Joe · Post by **Loopy-Joe** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:19 pm

I should rethink my terminology...I dont want to lock into Live's quantisation...
I want to determine the length of my first loop freely...free time...no commitments.......And then have all the following loops be the exact same lentgh.
As though loop 1 becomes the master....
So technically the following loops would .....dare i say.... "quantise to the first loop"
Its basically just looping with the same length loop on seperate tracks.
IS there some simple way to achive this? without establishing a tempo, length ahead of time

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:23 pm

Loopy-Joe wrote: "quantise to the first loop"

exactly, my point is just to maybe not be so closed minded. I can't get into Live now, I'm at work but I think if you were to play around a bit you could come up with the right commands to do this, then translate those commands to midi or use something like Bomes to translate an FCB stomp into a key stroke.

Loopy-Joe · Post by **Loopy-Joe** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:54 pm

well thanks for that?
I'll see if I can't pry it open a little
I've got an FCB1010
I'm running midistroke
I understand Live's potential
and it's shortcomings...
If you have something useful to add
by all means...
otherwise...why bother?

formatk · Post by **formatk** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:57 pm

hmm, I don't do Live looping, but I wonder if Live 6's new master/slave options can help you?

formatk · Post by **formatk** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:09 pm

they're may be a way to do it in arrange mode, where you record with no quantisisation and 'ignore' lives tempo completely. Set up a keystroke with your footpedal to select the recorded clip, and another to trigger the comand 'control/apple L' to loop and cycle the duration of the selected clip. Maybe give that a go?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:19 pm

Nah, Mr. Sandy Twat was clear that if you don't have the answer, don't make suggestions. He was very clear about that, no suggestions, only answers and it cannot involve any of Live's limitations.

Please forgive my posting without a solution, please, sir.

PM mercyplease for help, he does what you're asking, I just don't recall, PM (Personal Message) him.

formatk · Post by **formatk** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:22 pm

oh, yea, just noticed that you only want a definate solution, sorry for the useless help.

bencodec · Post by **bencodec** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:04 am

hey, check out Augustus Loop by Expert Sleepers. it's an Audio Unit looper like loopy lama but it spits out midi timecode that ableton can sync to. i use it to set the master tempo of a set with my first loop recording.

It took a little manual reading and practicing but i love it.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:14 am

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:26 am

loopy

i sooooo hear you. Repeater-style looping. i don't understand why this isn't more common. it seems to me a software could easily:

1 - record a free-hand loop WITHOUT any metronome
2 - mathematically compute the BPM of the loop (especially for rhythmic loops)
3 - automatically set the host sequencer to that BPM or at least SHOW the number which could be entered manually into the seq

easy?