Hi all,
I am still trying to understand something with programming the beast called the FCB1010. I am using the editor to no avail and tried manually using the tutorials that have been posted here. I must have ADD or something. Here is all I want to do to make this thing work with live. I play guitar, and do some perc stuff. I want to set up switches 6-9 on the FCB1010 to send a midi note so I can layer guitar by launching clips and recording. All the tutorials tell you how to do CCC's and enter Midi Note mode, but how do you assign a note to a switch? is my understanding of this beast all wrong. Say I select patch "00" on the FCB. I would like to hit switch 6 to send a midi not like C-2, record the guitar part and hit switch 6 again to start the part looping. All I want is to assign one note to each of the switches 6-10 using patch 00. Once I got that figured out I will set up the FCB to do the same for patch 01, 02....etc. Like I mentioned, the tutorials posted here have not helped me due to my denseness. Can you even assing a note to a switch. Any help doing this via the editor would be very much appreciated. The editor does not show which switch you are assinging a function to only BANK and PRESET. Thanks for the help in advance.
Don
FCB1010 Programming AGAIN !!
FCB1010 Programming AGAIN !!
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Wayne from White Salmon
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Use the editor
I just got an FCB1010 as well, and it is a bear to program. The tutorials here are a great help, but even then its confusing.
Divide and conquer! First, get CCs or notes programmed onto the presets on the FCB1010. That's probably where you are having trouble.
Start at step one, and make sure you have the FCB1010 correctly connected via midi. If its not showing midi traffic in the Live midi indicator that's got to be corrected first. You choose midi channels via global programming on the FCB1010, and set all of em to channel one.
You can follow the instructions with the midi editor to get into global mode. That will let you send midi channels and notes and all that with a SYSEX dump. But first, make sure the FCB 1010 is connected correctly. Then make sure you have the right midi in and midi out selected in the editor software. It won't take the sysex program if you are not configured right. Not to worry, its pretty easy.
Assuming you are connected right, and the editor is working right, you can program the editor with all the presets and global info you need. First, create a sysex, and give it a name and save it. Here's how the presets work.
Each preset (10 per bank) can send two CC commands, Program Change command, two expression pedal commands, and a note command. To use the editor, you select a preset button in the software virtual FCB1010 layout. It will light an indicator light to let you know you have it selected. Then, choose all the midi commands you want to send for that preset.
If you want to send a note instead of cc commands, uncheck the CC commands and Program change boxes and check on the note box. If you want to send a note and use expression pedal A, check on them. THen assign the note number you want to trigger in the box next to the note checkbox.
Do this for each preset- to set up preset 2, click on the virtual FCB1010 button so the indicator turns on, and click on the appropriate things you want to send.
When you are done with this process, SAVE the file by clicking on WRITE sysex. Then prepare your FCB1010 (the real one) to receive a SYSEX message. To do this, you turn OFF the FCB1010, hold down the DOWN button, and then turn it on. HOLD THE DOWN BUTTON for several seconds. Lights will flash. When its done, press UP two times. The 'configure' light will be on.
Then press footswitch 7 (receive SYSEX). Immediately press TRANSMIT sysex in your Editor software. If this is done right, the 7 light on the FCB1010 will go off, and the editor will show a message that it has transmitted xxx bites of sysex.
Not done yet.. ONE more step. In order to store this new SYSEX in the FCB1010, you need to press the DOWN key on the FCB1010 for several seconds. If you received the SYSEX, the RED LEDS will count down 9..8..7.. and so on. When its done, it will give you the good ole 00 display, and its ready for business.
Now, to LIVE. If you have the FCB1010 connected correctly in LIVE, you should see midi traffic lights on the top bar. If not, figure out what midi ports you are using and use the Live midi preferences to make sure the are on and set for remote.
Once that's done, you should be able to click on the MIDI button in the top bar in Live and assign your footswitches to midi assignable Live items. When you tell the midi to learn from remote, and then press the footswitch you want to map, that footswitch will work exactly like assigning any other midi control.
To review, its really three things
1) Make sure you have midi connections and ports corrent
2) Use the PC editor to create and send a SYSEX dump
3) Map the footswitches in LIVE just like any other midi controller.
Its a mind fuck, mostly because the manual is really bad. I'll try to help, but I just got mine, so I dont have all the answers. But I do have it working.
Wayne
Divide and conquer! First, get CCs or notes programmed onto the presets on the FCB1010. That's probably where you are having trouble.
Start at step one, and make sure you have the FCB1010 correctly connected via midi. If its not showing midi traffic in the Live midi indicator that's got to be corrected first. You choose midi channels via global programming on the FCB1010, and set all of em to channel one.
You can follow the instructions with the midi editor to get into global mode. That will let you send midi channels and notes and all that with a SYSEX dump. But first, make sure the FCB 1010 is connected correctly. Then make sure you have the right midi in and midi out selected in the editor software. It won't take the sysex program if you are not configured right. Not to worry, its pretty easy.
Assuming you are connected right, and the editor is working right, you can program the editor with all the presets and global info you need. First, create a sysex, and give it a name and save it. Here's how the presets work.
Each preset (10 per bank) can send two CC commands, Program Change command, two expression pedal commands, and a note command. To use the editor, you select a preset button in the software virtual FCB1010 layout. It will light an indicator light to let you know you have it selected. Then, choose all the midi commands you want to send for that preset.
If you want to send a note instead of cc commands, uncheck the CC commands and Program change boxes and check on the note box. If you want to send a note and use expression pedal A, check on them. THen assign the note number you want to trigger in the box next to the note checkbox.
Do this for each preset- to set up preset 2, click on the virtual FCB1010 button so the indicator turns on, and click on the appropriate things you want to send.
When you are done with this process, SAVE the file by clicking on WRITE sysex. Then prepare your FCB1010 (the real one) to receive a SYSEX message. To do this, you turn OFF the FCB1010, hold down the DOWN button, and then turn it on. HOLD THE DOWN BUTTON for several seconds. Lights will flash. When its done, press UP two times. The 'configure' light will be on.
Then press footswitch 7 (receive SYSEX). Immediately press TRANSMIT sysex in your Editor software. If this is done right, the 7 light on the FCB1010 will go off, and the editor will show a message that it has transmitted xxx bites of sysex.
Not done yet.. ONE more step. In order to store this new SYSEX in the FCB1010, you need to press the DOWN key on the FCB1010 for several seconds. If you received the SYSEX, the RED LEDS will count down 9..8..7.. and so on. When its done, it will give you the good ole 00 display, and its ready for business.
Now, to LIVE. If you have the FCB1010 connected correctly in LIVE, you should see midi traffic lights on the top bar. If not, figure out what midi ports you are using and use the Live midi preferences to make sure the are on and set for remote.
Once that's done, you should be able to click on the MIDI button in the top bar in Live and assign your footswitches to midi assignable Live items. When you tell the midi to learn from remote, and then press the footswitch you want to map, that footswitch will work exactly like assigning any other midi control.
To review, its really three things
1) Make sure you have midi connections and ports corrent
2) Use the PC editor to create and send a SYSEX dump
3) Map the footswitches in LIVE just like any other midi controller.
Its a mind fuck, mostly because the manual is really bad. I'll try to help, but I just got mine, so I dont have all the answers. But I do have it working.
Wayne
HP dv6000t, Duocore2 T7200, 1G, 80GB 5400, Reason 3.0, Live 6, Pro88, Presonus Firebox, Drumkat 3.5,
Thanks Wayne
I appreciate the in depth answer Wayne. This was a gi-normous help. Now, one more question. In the editor, to make sure I have the correct Bank selected, I make sure that, for this example, 00 is selected using the virtual up/down switches. Now I select which patch using the virtual switches 1-10/0. Right so far? The editor provides for entering all the CCCs, notes, expression pedal and prg changes. But where do I assign a particular switch to only send a note? i.e. switches 6-9 send c-2, c#-2......respectively. That is my confusion. Or once I have followed your example set up, when I have Bank 00 selected, and I step on switch 6 (meaning I entered patch 6) that the note I selected for switch 6 will be sent.
I have a feeling my understanding of how the FCB is used is all screwed up. My gut feeling is that it works as follows if I program it right per your instructions. 1) select correct bank (again, we will use 00 as the example). 2) step on switch 1 to enter preset 1. When that happens, whatever is in preset 1 based on my programming in the editor, will be sent. So lets say I have note C-2 set to be sent in preset 1, when I stepped on switch 1 that note was sent. So in live, lets assume I programmed, via the midi learn switch, Clip one to start recording my terrible guitar playing. I step on switch 1, the armed track starts recording, when I am done, I step on switch 1 again and Clip 1 starts playing in a loop. Now to start an over dub in a new Clip, I would have to step on the up switch on the FCB, followed by stepping on switch 2 to enter preset 2 which I have programmed to send only D-2 midi note. Is this the correct assumption? You are not really assigning switches to do a function you are programming presets. So when you step on a particular switch you are not selecting that switch, but selecting a preset. Whewwwww. That said, am I getting the concept down?
Thanks again Wayne. I look forward to you response. Hopefully it is the last i will need to bother you.
Don
I have a feeling my understanding of how the FCB is used is all screwed up. My gut feeling is that it works as follows if I program it right per your instructions. 1) select correct bank (again, we will use 00 as the example). 2) step on switch 1 to enter preset 1. When that happens, whatever is in preset 1 based on my programming in the editor, will be sent. So lets say I have note C-2 set to be sent in preset 1, when I stepped on switch 1 that note was sent. So in live, lets assume I programmed, via the midi learn switch, Clip one to start recording my terrible guitar playing. I step on switch 1, the armed track starts recording, when I am done, I step on switch 1 again and Clip 1 starts playing in a loop. Now to start an over dub in a new Clip, I would have to step on the up switch on the FCB, followed by stepping on switch 2 to enter preset 2 which I have programmed to send only D-2 midi note. Is this the correct assumption? You are not really assigning switches to do a function you are programming presets. So when you step on a particular switch you are not selecting that switch, but selecting a preset. Whewwwww. That said, am I getting the concept down?
Thanks again Wayne. I look forward to you response. Hopefully it is the last i will need to bother you.
Don
Pentium 4, 3 Ghz, 1G RAM, WinXP SP2, Live 6, FL6, Acid 6, Recycle, Atmosphere, Trilogy, Stylus RMX, MPC2500, M-Audio Delta 1010lt, and countless other vst's and outboard stuff.
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Wayne from White Salmon
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Youre almost there Huey
You are right about selecting the bank and the preset in the Virtual FCB1010. To set a footswitch to send a NOTE command you select the NOTE check box, and enter the NOTE number. Unforntuately, you can't tell it 'send C#'. It needs you to tell it the MIDI number for that note. Do a quick search of this forum and there's probably a link that gives midi note number assignments. Print it out and keep it around.
Once you have the presets sending the notes you want, you still have to successfully complete the SYSEX transmit. The Virtual FCB1010' editor doesn't acutally run the FCB1010. Its just an easy way to program the settings, and it doesn't work unless you send those settings via a SYSEX transmit. Once that send is done, the info is store in the FCB1010, and you can turn the PCEditor off.
I'll try to check my email coupla times today but I'm on the road, so I may be delayed in getting back. We'll figure it out.
BTW, Your assumptions are basically right. When you hit a pedal, its sends the midi message- be it note, cc, or Program Change. Live maps that midi message to any of its mappable functions. I'm still learning it too- just a step ahead of you right now. Once you get how to program it, you'll be like me, spending time trying to figure out the best way to set up the footswitches to do what you want.
Wayne
Once you have the presets sending the notes you want, you still have to successfully complete the SYSEX transmit. The Virtual FCB1010' editor doesn't acutally run the FCB1010. Its just an easy way to program the settings, and it doesn't work unless you send those settings via a SYSEX transmit. Once that send is done, the info is store in the FCB1010, and you can turn the PCEditor off.
I'll try to check my email coupla times today but I'm on the road, so I may be delayed in getting back. We'll figure it out.
BTW, Your assumptions are basically right. When you hit a pedal, its sends the midi message- be it note, cc, or Program Change. Live maps that midi message to any of its mappable functions. I'm still learning it too- just a step ahead of you right now. Once you get how to program it, you'll be like me, spending time trying to figure out the best way to set up the footswitches to do what you want.
Wayne
HP dv6000t, Duocore2 T7200, 1G, 80GB 5400, Reason 3.0, Live 6, Pro88, Presonus Firebox, Drumkat 3.5,
Gracias, Danke and Thank you Wayne. Got it up and running. I did have to go in and set Direct Select on. I was having to select the bank and patch via 2 depressions of switches. After I got that entered, now I can go in select bank 00 and hit one switch to select the patch. Everything is up and running great. Thanks again for your explainations and patience.
Don
Don
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studiesinsound
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Amen to that!!! if they would make a manual in a "See Spot Run" format it would be most useful. That goes for all manuals. Give real world "How to" examples, not the usual "To select this mode do these steps" Ok, great, now how does that mode relate to what I want to do. They tell you how to enable something but don't tell you what that something does. Or they assume you are on the professional level and not on an entry level. I need pictures dang it.
Don
Don
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studiesinsound
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Wayne from White Salmon
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Bad Manuals
Behringer's FCB Manual is one of the worst I've seen. Its like someone who knows all about midi and sysex and such wrote a manual for people who already understand all of that. TS if you don't know it yet.
Its a very versatile piece of gear, so I can understand that its difficult to write a manual that works for everyone. Add an aftermarket PC editor, compatibility with other midi hard and sfotware, it is complex. Heck I read my own instructions and can't make sense out of most of it- I want to rewrite it so that it makes sense to someone who's just starting. That's tuff to do, to be sure.
But sometimes I think these companies, Behringer in particular, lets the forums and newsgroups provide peer to peer support so that they don't have to. I think that SUCKS. I know that Beheringer visits the Yahoo FCB1010 newsgroup sometimes. You'd think they'd have a support forum with a live chat function.
Also, do ya think they'd figure out that lots of LIVE users will need Live specific instructions? If they were to write a single document on how to set up with LIVE they'd be far ahead, IMHO.
Anyway good to see you got it going, Huey. Now tell me how you set the pedals up for guitar looping. I'm still messing around.
WFWS
Its a very versatile piece of gear, so I can understand that its difficult to write a manual that works for everyone. Add an aftermarket PC editor, compatibility with other midi hard and sfotware, it is complex. Heck I read my own instructions and can't make sense out of most of it- I want to rewrite it so that it makes sense to someone who's just starting. That's tuff to do, to be sure.
But sometimes I think these companies, Behringer in particular, lets the forums and newsgroups provide peer to peer support so that they don't have to. I think that SUCKS. I know that Beheringer visits the Yahoo FCB1010 newsgroup sometimes. You'd think they'd have a support forum with a live chat function.
Also, do ya think they'd figure out that lots of LIVE users will need Live specific instructions? If they were to write a single document on how to set up with LIVE they'd be far ahead, IMHO.
Anyway good to see you got it going, Huey. Now tell me how you set the pedals up for guitar looping. I'm still messing around.
WFWS
HP dv6000t, Duocore2 T7200, 1G, 80GB 5400, Reason 3.0, Live 6, Pro88, Presonus Firebox, Drumkat 3.5,
Hi Wayne,
By all means, my setup is still being thought out. But in my Live Template I have 2 tracks set up. One called Riff and one called Rhythm. The FCB pedals 6 and 7 control two clips one and two in the Riff track. Pedals 8 and 9 control clips 1 and 2 in the Rhythm track. Pedal 1 lauches a scene and pedals 2 and 3 and scene down and up respectively. I have pedal 10/0 set for Tap Tempo. All of the above is in Bank 00. I then have audio tracks for drum loops and a midi track for Midi Drums. Then I have a bunch of misc audio tracks to add synths, bass etc. Not perfect since I am still thinking out how I want to do things. I don't play live so its set up for spontaneous recording. I am sure I will have to optimize things in the future like what to cram in Banks 01-09.
Don
By all means, my setup is still being thought out. But in my Live Template I have 2 tracks set up. One called Riff and one called Rhythm. The FCB pedals 6 and 7 control two clips one and two in the Riff track. Pedals 8 and 9 control clips 1 and 2 in the Rhythm track. Pedal 1 lauches a scene and pedals 2 and 3 and scene down and up respectively. I have pedal 10/0 set for Tap Tempo. All of the above is in Bank 00. I then have audio tracks for drum loops and a midi track for Midi Drums. Then I have a bunch of misc audio tracks to add synths, bass etc. Not perfect since I am still thinking out how I want to do things. I don't play live so its set up for spontaneous recording. I am sure I will have to optimize things in the future like what to cram in Banks 01-09.
Don
Pentium 4, 3 Ghz, 1G RAM, WinXP SP2, Live 6, FL6, Acid 6, Recycle, Atmosphere, Trilogy, Stylus RMX, MPC2500, M-Audio Delta 1010lt, and countless other vst's and outboard stuff.