Dissapointed about Live 6.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:38 pm

am is are wrote:Then simply let CONTROL-E turn the cursor into a Scissors tool, so that a CLIP can be SPLIT right where you point and click

no, because then you cannot split a selected part of a clip..

I really don't understand this Scissors request..

So they'll put a button in Live that you have to click first so that your cursor acts as a scissor?
Isn't that the same effort as pointing the cursor somewhere in a clip and press ctrl+E ?

Actually this saves a click because you don't have to de-activate the scissors button again..

Just learn to accept that Live does things in a different way than other apps..

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:46 pm

Landser wrote:
mauve wrote:If it was, there wouldn't be posts like: "do I need another DAW to use with Live?" and "is Live the only DAW you use?"
A question itself says nothing. It depends on the content and the reason of the question.

Not to mention the stubborness of a switcher.
If their daw was so great, why'd they switch?

Personally i'm opposed to any feature that even suggests "offline processing".
I bought LIVE because it's a "Live Sequencing Instrument".
Not because it has the potential to one day be cubase.. au contraire...

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:46 pm

Landser wrote:
mauve wrote:If it was, there wouldn't be posts like: "do I need another DAW to use with Live?" and "is Live the only DAW you use?"
A question itself says nothing. It depends on the content and the reason of the question.

What do you think, I just copied them without reading the context and reason?

Reasons for those questions? People are not sure that Live is a complete DAW.
Many told me that it is not great for audio editing. That's general well founded opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I like Live and want it to be better. There is a lot of room for improvement, like crossfades for instance, most cheap DAWs have them...

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:49 pm

mauve wrote:There is a lot of room for improvement, like crossfades for instance, most cheap DAWs have them...

ofcourse..
but Live has features that those cheap daw's don't have..

it all comes in time I guess..

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:03 pm

Poster wrote:
mauve wrote:There is a lot of room for improvement, like crossfades for instance, most cheap DAWs have them...
ofcourse..
but Live has features that those cheap daw's don't have..

it all comes in time I guess..

Then it should not be called Complete DAW yet.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:09 pm

mauve wrote:
Poster wrote:
mauve wrote:There is a lot of room for improvement, like crossfades for instance, most cheap DAWs have them...
ofcourse..
but Live has features that those cheap daw's don't have..

it all comes in time I guess..
Then it should not be called Complete DAW yet.

agreed..
but nobody claimed it as a full daw

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:43 pm

Poster wrote:
mauve wrote:
Poster wrote: ofcourse..
but Live has features that those cheap daw's don't have..

it all comes in time I guess..
Then it should not be called Complete DAW yet.
agreed..
but nobody claimed it as a full daw

"....ABLETON is now advertising LIVE as a COMPLETE musical workstation - creation, performance, production"

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:53 pm

mauve wrote: "....ABLETON is now advertising LIVE as a COMPLETE musical workstation - creation, performance, production"

ok.. I know what you're trying to say..
but I have to see the first quote Ableton saying 'complete daw'..
you won't find that one because they never advertized it as such..

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:10 pm

This is from Ableton website:

"About Live

Live is the only solution designed for each stage of the musical process, from creation to production to performance. In the creative stage, Live is transparent, intuitive and responsive, capturing inspiration and encouraging the flow of musical ideas. During production, Live provides all of the professional tools and studio compatibility required to complete and perfect projects. On stage, Live delivers the expressive control and stability that innumerable performing artists have come to rely on. Live 6—Music Creation, Production, and Performance for Mac OS and Windows. Create. Produce. Perform."

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:16 pm

Here is from a Jive Magazine review.

if Ableton puts it on their official website they agree with it.

"5 out of 5 Stars! Whether you are working on a portable laptop for begging ideas, using a powerful desktop to complete and edit tracks, or you're performing a gig, Live 5.0 is one of the most complete digital audio workstations on the market today. The built-in tools and compatibility with other studio equipment make it a powerhouse of usability, and its stability makes it ideal for any situation. It's definitely a must have for any producer."
Jive Magazine, Autumn 2005

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:16 pm

mauve wrote:This is from Ableton website:

"About Live

Live is the only solution designed for each stage of the musical process, from creation to production to performance. In the creative stage, Live is transparent, intuitive and responsive, capturing inspiration and encouraging the flow of musical ideas. During production, Live provides all of the professional tools and studio compatibility required to complete and perfect projects. On stage, Live delivers the expressive control and stability that innumerable performing artists have come to rely on. Live 6—Music Creation, Production, and Performance for Mac OS and Windows. Create. Produce. Perform."

Create. Produce. Perform.

Where does it say "click on stuff all day"?

+ the tools are there.
Some people are just too lazy to use them.

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:21 pm

I agree that clicking on stuff all day is shit..
But if they claim to be that super ultimate and "toolful", there should be "standart" tools available in simple Ableton way

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:22 pm

mauve wrote:I agree that clicking on stuff all day is shit..
But if they claim to be that super ultimate and "toolful", there should be "standart" tools available in simple Ableton way

Like ctrl-e?

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:26 pm

ctrl+e is one of my favorite.
I am talking about things like simple crossfades....

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:33 pm

i think those of you who want live to stay some sort of pristine performance focused tool (exagerating somewhat) are in the minority, or soon will be. live is just so much easier to use that more and more folk -- particularly people new to digital recording -- will gravitate to it for use as a production tool. and those people will ultimately want to be able to do just about everything they could in any other, far more difficult to learn DAW, w/o having to lose the convenience of live.

don't get me wrong. i already use live as my only DAW, having dropped logic, and don't really have any complaints (likely because i don't know enough). so i think live will have to walk a line between bloat and complete functionality (i think it's doing a good job, obviously opinions vary).

Dissapointed about Live 6.

Re: i love LIVE, but sadly, i hear ya