Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion.

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:15 pm

shtreimel wrote:Tried to stay away, but like a car accident...

In previous posts, I mentioned that I work on an early psychosis team. Pharmacology, neuroscience and bio-psychiatry...we've got it all. And we know shit. We're so blinded by "science", "quantitative studies"...and our clients suffer, and suffer. Why? I have no doubt it's because we're living in an era where ""soul", "spirit" are relegated to new-agey (read: unscientific) corners. In other words, if you can't measure it, it ain't worth discussing (which is amusing, because we seem to hang onto that self construct called "romantic love". We live, kill and die for it...though it's nothing more than, what, random neurotransmitters firing dopamine...seretonin?).

Thank God (yup, I said it), there's other psychiatrists and neuroscientists who are humble enough to consider that there are things we'll never be able to measure with tools, tests, etc., and have no problem with human struggle in the form of ill souls, spirit, etc.

total rubbish. YES it is neurotransmitters. live with it. NO they are not RANDOM, but strongly regulated. drink a few bears m8 see how 'devine' your brain is then.

depression is a disregulation of neurotransmitterlevels. and yes external impulses can trigger those chemical fluctuations. pills effect those chemicals and receptors... yes some of the pills work unpredictable, or are not fully elucidated yet. but that does in no way imply the hand of god. it's such stupid thinking to go track down holes in our current knowledge and fill them up with god. science is about 'NOT KNOWING' and taking on that challenge. otherwise scientist would have pretty boring jobs ey!

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:32 pm

jb61264 wrote:You know what I find funny about the whole evolution versus creation argument? It's that each side is SO bent on proving the other side wrong that neither is willing to accept that it's possible that both creation and evolution explain the beginning of our universe and our existence.

for crying out loud... each side. scientist wouldn't even care about the stupidity called creationism, if it weren't they try to get it in education of young children. for people who factly can show you why creationism is absurd, it is almost unethical to consider feeding young children with unscientific crap. because that's what it is... it has NO scientific basis and not a single scientific argument for it's foundation. there is not one scientific example of an irreducable complexity, none! there are thousands of scientific facts thatpoint out natural selection works totally blind and does not need the guiding hand of a god.

there are thousands of facts showing you that the 'irreducable complexity' is in fact very reducable...

all argumants found in books from ID 'preachers' have been attacked in court with books and papers containing masses of evidence against an itelligent design.

this is not about 'convincing' it's about facts! ID is a hoax, and it's our job to warn, tell people they are missled. it's not the hard working behind the scenes scientist that need to be convinced, it's those money sucking propagandating ID preachers that should be kept out state business/schools. this would be disastrous.

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:46 pm

edge100 wrote:
Once again, I have no problem with the concept of a "higher power". I even have no problem accepting that the universe may have been created by this "higher power". But there is almost certainly no personal god. Of course, as soon as you accept this "higher power" argument, you must also ask the timeless question, "if everything comes from something more complex, and god created the universe (ergo god is more complex than the universe), what created god?" This is an infinite series, and gets you nowhere.

indeed, and there you go. how now can you have no 'problem' with a higher power creating the universe then? tell me that.

people are blind to the argument, guess they didn't give it much tought i suppose. or just do not understand the power of that argument against ID and god.

"god?"

"yes my son?"

"can you answer every question i can possibly think off?"

"of course, i know everything"

"ok, why do YOU exist?"

"and when and how were YOU created, who created you, dear god?"

"err...i do not work like that, son" or " i just happen to be, tumtidumtidum" or "im sorry i do not understand the question, please restate the question"

"ow...ok"

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:50 pm

shtreimel wrote: Fine. But there are other folks who pray to a personal God who believe that their prayer's are being answered...

have you prayer's ever been answered? no? ow dear, god must hate you i guess, he speaks to me all the time... i'm so sorry for you.

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:52 pm

shtreimel wrote: In therapy, we know our clients WANT their symptoms to disappear. But it's those very symptoms that create energy for true growth to take place.

you sadist! don't you ever talk about ethics and moral to me again. you, in fact, are a very dangerous man.

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:02 pm

shtreimel wrote: Suffice to say, I was born a Jew. I didn't "choose" Judaism.

that explains it all...

are you stupid?

if you would say, i 'choose' Judaism! i wasn't born Jew. i would have nothing to comment on, but you are stating yourselfs to have been brainwashed from early childhood.

and let me get mean to you: the inbreeding that's going on now in the 'jewish' polulation brings it's toll, the genetic deseases in the jewish population are getting dramatic even! they are so racist/discriminating, only mating with their 'own' community resulting in detrimentous homozygous gene conditions.

if you don't believe me, ask your educated friends.

is that too the will of god? maybe it's a message, or a punishment?

for crying out loud.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:40 pm

BoimB son of BoB wrote:

and let me get mean to you: the inbreeding that's going on now in the 'jewish' polulation brings it's toll, the genetic deseases in the jewish population are getting dramatic even! they are so racist/discriminating, only mating with their 'own' community resulting in detrimentous homozygous gene conditions.

if you don't believe me, ask your educated friends.

is that too the will of god? maybe it's a message, or a punishment?

for crying out loud.

If only the germans got it right the first time around the jews wouldn't have that problem, damn...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:26 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
BoimB son of BoB wrote:

and let me get mean to you: the inbreeding that's going on now in the 'jewish' polulation brings it's toll, the genetic deseases in the jewish population are getting dramatic even! they are so racist/discriminating, only mating with their 'own' community resulting in detrimentous homozygous gene conditions.

if you don't believe me, ask your educated friends.

is that too the will of god? maybe it's a message, or a punishment?

for crying out loud.
If only the germans got it right the first time around the jews wouldn't have that problem, damn...

I don't think he meant it that way, but yeah, that's how it came across. That was far too personal of an attack, and will only feed feelings of persecution etc.
You don't have to be born a jew to become jewish though. people do convert to judaism every day.
I'm ethnically of irish lineage, but I'm not catholic, or irish in any real sense of the word, and would never introduce myself as irish to a person from Ireland. In fact in every sense, an Ethiopian born and raised in Dublin would be more Irish than me, genetics are not that important. Point being all that applies to being of jewish heritage as well.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:16 pm

BoimB son of BoB wrote:total rubbish. YES it is neurotransmitters. live with it. NO they are not RANDOM, but strongly regulated. drink a few bears m8 see how 'devine' your brain is then.

You're wrong. Ah, but that's not fair...so read this:
http://www.thebukowskiagency.com/Dagger ... 20Mind.htm
and then you may want to try this:
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Soul-Age- ... 0140254897

Shall I go on? A quick google search will inform you that the neurotransmitter deficit = depression/anxiety/psychosis is a largely a myth (APA and psycho-pharm folks were forced - by anti-psychiatry lobby - to refer to this as a hypothesis.)

BoimB son of BoB wrote:but that does in no way imply the hand of god. it's such stupid thinking to go track down holes in our current knowledge and fill them up with god. science is about 'NOT KNOWING' and taking on that challenge. otherwise scientist would have pretty boring jobs ey!

Straw-man? What are you rambling about? I never said that God has anything, though He may, to do with mental health issues.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:20 pm

BoimB son of BoB wrote:
shtreimel wrote: Fine. But there are other folks who pray to a personal God who believe that their prayer's are being answered...
have you prayer's ever been answered? no? ow dear, god must hate you i guess, he speaks to me all the time... i'm so sorry for you.

Boimb...if I didn't know better, I'd think you're a religious fanatic posing as an atheist to discredit the enterprise. Take a note from your intelligent and polite pal Edge100...we feeble minded God-fearing types might give your ideas more credibility.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:21 pm

BoimB son of BoB wrote:
shtreimel wrote: Suffice to say, I was born a Jew. I didn't "choose" Judaism.
that explains it all...

are you stupid?

if you would say, i 'choose' Judaism! i wasn't born Jew. i would have nothing to comment on, but you are stating yourselfs to have been brainwashed from early childhood.

and let me get mean to you: the inbreeding that's going on now in the 'jewish' polulation brings it's toll, the genetic deseases in the jewish population are getting dramatic even! they are so racist/discriminating, only mating with their 'own' community resulting in detrimentous homozygous gene conditions.

if you don't believe me, ask your educated friends.

is that too the will of god? maybe it's a message, or a punishment?

for crying out loud.

I'll ask the quetion again...

Why
Are
Atheists
So
Angry?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:32 pm

Because it's a non-secular world. All too many decisions in this world are done so because 'god said so'. Annoying... Telling people you're an atheist makes them think you're a bad person with no morals.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:42 pm

Tone Deft wrote:Telling people you're an atheist makes them think you're a bad person with no morals.

Speaking of morals...

Tone Deft wrote:I was going to post this, and death is sad and all, but she was annoying as all fuck.

/harsh

Now I understand that not all atheists lack class, but you're the one stating the case that atheists have morals. You may wanna model what you preach.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:52 pm

Yes, I despise ANS's morals and am sick of the media mourning her. I know talking shit about people post-mortem is in poor taste but she's was an immoral person.

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:01 am

Tone Deft wrote:Yes, I despise ANS's morals and am sick of the media mourning her. I know talking shit about people post-mortem is in poor taste but she's was an immoral person.

Anyway your two comments, coming on the heels of each other, are interesting, no?