Dissapointed about Live 6.

[conny]

(suggestion::: make use of SEND/RETURN Tracks Vertical Space by giving us Return Channel-specific macro knobs that can be mapped to parameters of FX in the return channel and/or macro knobs of any racks in the return channel)

Nice one

+1

// C

[am is are]

hey longjohns

i believe that i stated in my original request for a "live realtime" pitchshifter that the difference is: currently, a clip already has to have been recorded/saved/analyzed BEFORE you can shift the pitch.

i'm asking Ableton to include a tool that can be used to pitchshift material that you are currently recording or monitoring -- live musicians -- i've worked with a trombonist, etc. -- i'd love to be able to pitchshift on what they're playing in real-time (yes there's a very slight delay)

i am aware that there are some 3rd party VST plug-ins that provide this ability and i have them,, but many are of dubious quality, and i'd expect that Ableton would be capable of creating a better/smoother/functioning FX with some of their trademark twists included. and it seems to me to be an obvious FX to include for "an expressive performance instrument on stage." (quote from Live 6 DEMO cd packaging)

also:: IMPULSE should be updated with support for Cents - shifting in addition to semitones. that's FAR more realistic for simulated real drums (i know, i'm a drummer). perhaps a simple switch below the "dial" that toggles between semitone s and cents.

and a question on a lot of people's minds:: why aren't the mute/solo functions on Impulse cells available for midi/key mapping?

peace all

[forge]

I still do not understand the claim that you need a pitch shifting plugin.

I've requested this before - mainly as a quick way of changing the whole track at once rather than having to select everything then do it in clip view - but I think I suggested a global pitch setting for the track

but a pitch plug-in the same as the midi one would be cool

[forge]

(suggestion::: make use of SEND/RETURN Tracks Vertical Space by giving us Return Channel-specific macro knobs that can be mapped to parameters of FX in the return channel and/or macro knobs of any racks in the return channel)

Nice one

+1

// C

+1 - I've requested this too!

[forge]

hey longjohns

i believe that i stated in my original request for a "live realtime" pitchshifter that the difference is: currently, a clip already has to have been recorded/saved/analyzed BEFORE you can shift the pitch.

i'm asking Ableton to include a tool that can be used to pitchshift material that you are currently recording or monitoring -- live musicians -- i've worked with a trombonist, etc. -- i'd love to be able to pitchshift on what they're playing in real-time (yes there's a very slight delay)

i am aware that there are some 3rd party VST plug-ins that provide this ability and i have them,, but many are of dubious quality, and i'd expect that Ableton would be capable of creating a better/smoother/functioning FX with some of their trademark twists included. and it seems to me to be an obvious FX to include for "an expressive performance instrument on stage." (quote from Live 6 DEMO cd packaging)

also:: IMPULSE should be updated with support for Cents - shifting in addition to semitones. that's FAR more realistic for simulated real drums (i know, i'm a drummer). perhaps a simple switch below the "dial" that toggles between semitone s and cents.

and a question on a lot of people's minds:: why aren't the mute/solo functions on Impulse cells available for midi/key mapping?

peace all

maybe a cool way to do this would be to allow audio in to simpler and sampler

I've suggested this before for sampler so you could have all the cool stuff sampler does applied to anything you route to it, and you could include pitch

[kineticUk]

maybe a cool way to do this would be to allow audio in to simpler and sampler

I've suggested this before for sampler so you could have all the cool stuff sampler does applied to anything you route to it, and you could include pitch

I thought about this too. Especially with the Sampler, audio in would be very useful to me.

[hoffman2k]

and a question on a lot of people's minds:: why aren't the mute/solo functions on Impulse cells available for midi/key mapping?

Place the following rack in front of your impulse:

- Click here to download the Solo-Mute rack

You can midi map those mute/solo knobs. It's actually better then the mute buttons on the impulse. Because you don't cut the sound, you cut the MIDI

[longjohns]

hey longjohns

i believe that i stated in my original request for a "live realtime" pitchshifter that the difference is: currently, a clip already has to have been recorded/saved/analyzed BEFORE you can shift the pitch.

i'm asking Ableton to include a tool that can be used to pitchshift material that you are currently recording or monitoring -- live musicians -- i've worked with a trombonist, etc. -- i'd love to be able to pitchshift on what they're playing in real-time (yes there's a very slight delay)

Ah, I get you now, like a harmonizer or something like that.

also:: IMPULSE should be updated with support for Cents - shifting in addition to semitones. that's FAR more realistic for simulated real drums (i know, i'm a drummer). perhaps a simple switch below the "dial" that toggles between semitone s and cents.

and a question on a lot of people's minds:: why aren't the mute/solo functions on Impulse cells available for midi/key mapping?

peace all

Yes and yes

[am is are]

mm

in addition to CENTS shifting in IMPULSE, how about being able to select a RANGE on the dial (be able to drag twice from the center detente) to define a note/pitch range that works in concert with the RANDOM % percentage.

then you could pick a snare drum sample, have velocity effect amount of stretching (or START point would be cool too!), and set a range of 20cents over which RANDOM operates, rather than just setting the pitch of the sample and random choosing over 4 whole octaves which pitch to play as it does now.

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and YES, it would be killer to be able to route audio (not just clips but monitored audio input) to simpler and sampler -- i'm not the only one that requested this long ago (and we even suggested audio input for OPERATOR--- yay, now a sorta wavetable sampler/synthesizer that makes OPERATOR a much more flexible and attractive tool).

And, after playing with Operator today, I think it would be just fantastic to be able to route audio OUT of the final Oscillator output and into individual tracks (ala Impulse)-- most synthesis algorithms are summed to output from Osc A (as modulated by D,C and B) but in the case of full-parallel synthesis, it would be awesome to tap Osc's A,B,C and D into individual tracks for individual FX processing (etc,etc, A & C, or A&B depending on which synthesis algorithm you're using).

so with only one Operator instance, you could be outputting 4 individual tracks with their own groovy Racks ---- more bang for the buck

peace

[conny]

so with only one Operator instance, you could be outputting 4 individual tracks with their own groovy Racks ---- more bang for the buck

peace

Right!
(Or left...)

// C

[jasper]

I'm new to ableton but am pro-producing with Logic, sonar, PT, cubase etc,etc,etc... for 13 years now.

this much is true-> there are Logic users who are still posting the same pleas for bug-fixes that they've been posting for 6 years.
ProTools' attention to their begging customers is not much better.

I understand where you're coming from with "catch up to the rest because you're falling behind" argument, and I agree 100000%.

but consider this:
Live's interface and entire concept is so ergonomic , they won't just 'slap' new features all over it without carefully making sure the new features sit sweetly inside its unique and tidy working environment.
They COULD probably add everything we want in a week. test it for two days and then release it.
I have a feeling that whoever Live's developers are...It's about 'if it's not completely neat and gorgeous, don't put it in yet'

patience, my brothers and sisters...upDATES and upGRADES are both potential magic-bringers

[mercyplease]

Yeah thats right be so different that you leave out the really simple things that make those programs great. Listen we cant put that in are program because Cubase has it even though it would make Ableton better a program we cant do that na no way because were different.

Put the simple things in your program(like more tools in arrangement view to name one)and then people will stop using other programs.

I want options! onorofforofforon.

and it just shows how closed minded some users can be. i agree with you.
h2k doesnt get the point because to him its all about being different for the sake of it regardless if another way is more productive. it also shows how little faith they have in the softwares ability to sell. they think it has to be all different to attract users but I believe deep down he thinks hes still in a little secret club and he doesnt really want to see a mass exodus.

hes saying that if live had some traditional features users would vanish, thats his logic. they wouldnt because live would still have the unique features that sold it originally as well some traditional ones that would be a huge selling point. users from other software would be flocking to live in their droves but the reason that stops many of them are the missing and glaringly obvious very useful tools.

Who made you the expert in what i think?

My point was, I live becomes cubase/logic/dp... Then whats the point in going on with Live?

You know what the real problem is? Ever since Live 5, Abletons marketing department has taken a different direction from the development department.
Point and case: the hundreds of undocumented features...

You see something that has one or 2 things missing.
I see something that will never be done..

Too much pressure from users like you, asking for features like split which is already there... And we'll never see a bugfree version of Live...
From the post below i gather you don't even use racks...
Are you sure you don't want to switch to something more "traditional"?

Your right Im no expert in what you think but I can read what you say
with your logic you would also claim there is no need for safe subs. Other daws have that so no point in live having such a feature. Or would you like it but built in to live in a fantastic convulted manner as long as its different. You cant have it both ways hoff.
Live is different by the very method of its operation. Adding in a mute tool and scissors would not dilute this at all.

[mercyplease]

Heres another one for you MUTE TOOL yes thats right geezer a mute tool so I dont have to stick all the bits I might use at the end of the arrangement or the beginning or constantly

how about right mouse click > "deactivate clip"?

ya see geezer? alot of the basic tools are there..
same as a scissor; it's there; learn to use it..

oh yes thats real elegant. have you tried this in arrangement view NO. Its real simple I would like to lasso a bunch of clips in arrange view and hit a little mute button. Even if I could use M on the keyboard that would be fine. But lets not have that in there it would totally ruin the concept of the program and all users would be selling live on Ebay. be realistic and considerate to how other users use their software or bad mercy may have to come back soon.

[mercyplease]

What is it with you europeans and your fear of scissors. Have you ever used another daw in your life. CtrE requires stealth movements and a lot of zooming and clicking to cut audio up. Think about a one bar loop you have to cut in to 16 parts. in cubase logic and so on yo uset the q to 1/16 and click sixteen times. How is that not faster than ctre e zoom shift and shuffle and hope you get it right.
YOUR resistance makes no sense.

because your thinking/solution is too traditional..
copying it the logic/cubase way still uses 16 clicks..

how about using another key comb. and have it split in 16 parts automaticaly.?

you see, the 'traditional' scissor is too close to how Live currently behaves..
so implementing this is just a small step forward and needs another interface button..
that's a very expensive button i.m.o.

You just refuse to see an elegant method. You would have anything but a useful tool.

no it doesnt. Cubase allows you to do as you please with the right mouse button. You can assign menus to it or a tool box I believe sonar does the same, you can assign every tool to a key or menu commands. You think all those traditional daws are somehow way behind live dont you. Their totally not they are in fact light years ahead of live in such areas Do you know you can arrange on the fly with cubase or the warping of audio has much less nastyness.
Its not just about scissors its about a mute tool or an ability to mute parts with ease in arrange view. Go and see if you can do it, you cant. Do you think its elegant to have a bunch of clips at the beginnimg of the song that have to constantly be dragged to the current song position to see if they fit. I can drag from session view but thats even worse, far to fiddly. You see we all work different but none of the tools im advocating would harm how you work in any way. What you want is more fiddly key commands and that makes no sense.

[mercyplease]

heck! - Live doesn't even include a "live" pitchshifting plug-in for realtime performance use -- what the f**k is that about????

Every clip has a pitch setting. Not sure why you need a plugin - maybe I do not understand what you're after.

MERCY REPLIES
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVENT EVER WORKED WITH VOCALS OR GUITAR. A -1 or +1 PITCH SHIFT OF WARPED MATERIAL IN LIVE SOUNDS LIKE A DALEKS ARSE AFTER A HEAVY NIGHT OUT. SX TOOLS ANBD ALL THE REST CAN PITCH SHIFT FAR BETTER THAN LIVE CAN. YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND

(by having to route individual Impulse tracks to separate Audio Tracks, just to be able to Mute or Solo them individually, for example)

You can solo and mute any slot in the Impulse itself. I guess you mean in terms of automation?

MERCY REPLIES
YES HE MEANS THAT BUT ALSO LOTS OF OTHER STUFF BECAUSE HE HAS USED A CONSOLE WITH BUSSES. THE POINT ISNT TO HUNT AND CLIK WHEN YOU NEED TO HEAR SOMETHING IN ISOLATION, PLEASE TRY A REAL CONSOLE OR ANY OTHER DAW WITH BUSSES AND YOU WILL GET THE PICTURE

1. You make it look like I was the one swearing

2. Every clip has not only transpose in semitones, which you seem to be referring to, but also +- 50 cents detune. In other words, complete control of pitch in 1 cent increments.

The complaint was not a lack of a great-sounding pitch shifter, which I'd take to be some offline thing, but for a "'live' pitchshifting plug-in for realtime performance use" - which as I'm pointing out repeatedly, is already quite possible on every clip, without a plugin.

I think it could be nice to have a clip envelope for the detune, because you can only have an envelope with breakpoints on the even transpose semitone values.

I don't mind feature requests, but it's just that when people request things that you can already do, I usually like to point that out, because even if they already know something, someone else reading the thread may not.

I still do not understand the claim that you need a pitch shifting plugin.

p.s. I've used a mixing board. I still do not find it difficult to solo an impulse cell. Guess I'm just a really handy fellow. Anyway I certainly don't mind having more control over soloing or muting cells, but that's not the same thing as saying you can't solo or mute a cell without routing it to another track. That is just not true, so I said as much.

No i was on your side so thats the thanks I get for standing up for you