Drum Machines?

cosmosuave · Post by **cosmosuave** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:46 pm

Johnisfaster wrote: I thought the 707 only output midi in song mode? which would would be kinda a pain since you can't change patterns on the fly. am I wrong?

The way I use them is as follows... TR707 in step pattern mode (midi master)... Live is set to slave... TR707 Individual audio outs trigger Tama..

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:00 am

ohhhhh I forgot the audio outs could be used to trigger instruments which allow for audio triggering. very nice.

but I am right in thinking that in step mode the 707 won't output midi right?

cosmosuave · Post by **cosmosuave** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:34 am

Johnisfaster wrote:ohhhhh I forgot the audio outs could be used to trigger instruments which allow for audio triggering. very nice.

but I am right in thinking that in step mode the 707 won't output midi right?

Each voice is midi assignable out but it is not explained well in the TR707 manual.... I had a hell of a time trying to figure it out...

oldschoolsound.free.fr/manuels/tr707.doc

MIDI triggering

The MIDI triggering of external equipment / instruments is very limited. It can only be used in track play mode, and triggered notes can be no longer than the length of the original 707 instrument’s length. This should not be a problem if you intend for short triggers, but forget about sweeping strings and such.

How to do it:
1. Enter track play mode with the 707 not running.
2. Press and hold down (SHIFT), press and release (MIDI CH) and then, whilst still pressing (s.) (SHIFT), press (INSTRUMENT/GUIDE). Finally, release (SHIFT) and press (START).

Now your external equipment should be triggered by the patterns (notes) instead of the 707. If there’s no sound, repeat step 2 once more. This is to set the 707 to MIDI transmit mode #2. Remember that only whilst in MIDI transmit mode #1 will the 707 play its own sounds.

Chart by order: Chart by note:
G-2 : Bass Drum 1 G-2 : Bass Drum 1
C-3 : Bass Drum 2 C-3 : Bass Drum 2
D-3 : Snare Drum 1 Db3 : Rimshot
E-3 : Snare Drum 2 D-3 : Snare Drum 1
F-3 : Low Tom Eb3 : Handclap
A-3 : Mid Tom E-3 : Snare Drum 2
C-4 : Hi Tom F-3 : Low Tom
Db3 : Rim Shot F#3 : Hi Hat Closed 1
G#4 : Cowbell F#3 : Hi Hat Closed 2
Eb3 : Handclap A-3 : Mid Tom
F#4 : Tambourine Bb3 : Hi Hat Open
F#3 : Hi Hat Closed 1 C-4 : Hi Tom
F#3 : Hi Hat Closed 2 Db4 : Crash Cymbal
Bb3 : Hi Hat Open Eb4 : Ride Cymbal
Db4 : Crash Cymbal F#4 : Tambourine
Eb4 : Ride Cymbal G#4 : Cowbell

Cyberstar · Post by **Cyberstar** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:49 am

I use the following....

Software:

Guru
XLN Audio's Addictive Drums
Battery 3
Microtonic
BFD
Impulse (of coruse)
Digidrum classic & pro

Hardware:
Roland:
TR-808
TR-909
DR-660
DR-770
DR-880
Boss DR-202
SPD-11
TD-20S: V-Pro
Linn 9000
Korg WaveDrum

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:46 am

I really would love to get a sampling drum machine like the UW, but I don't have enough money.
Impulse and a huge library of drum samples for me.

Bassic Dave · Post by **Bassic Dave** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:03 am

The most fun i had programming beats with an old mpc2000. Since I got rid of that ive used stylus and guru. Stylus was cool but its too easy to use someone elses beats, i dont like to have to try to make beats original, starting from someone elses beat. Guru was a step in the right direction, similar to mpc programming but i just didnt feel the love with it.
So after paying for these two, i found the free drumstack rack that lets you layer drum samples with impulse, and that was it. The integration with live is awesome, and the workflow is great. It feels like the mpc for me in that i feel like im working with one instrument when writing songs in live, instead of unrelated components.

In summary- live kicks ass

spiral · Post by **spiral** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:46 am

i <3 my 606 i wish i could synch it with Live
i have tried to use NI nostalgia but it crashes live so many times its almost unuseable
also layered impulse kits

illsub1 · Post by **illsub1** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:41 pm

I can't believe no one has mentioned ezdrummer (now UB). It is the best for acoustic drums. I love using it with the padkontrol with the roll function and humanize on the plug. Really fantastic real sounding rolls. It also has a great library of midi files drag and drop like Stylus RMX.

Software:
Impulse
Stylus RMX w/ SAGE xpanders and Sonic Reality RAW drums (my friend Tone sliced these up for SR and he did a great job unlike Total Rex).
ezdrummer with all the expansions
Battery 3 (awesome very complete library)

Hardware:
Electribe EMX
Yamaha Motif ES

illsub1 · Post by **illsub1** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:43 pm

Stylus was cool but its too easy to use someone elses beats, i dont like to have to try to make beats original, starting from someone elses beat.

You know the sound library in stylus has a ton of single hits very well categorized and also a Kit mode!!

buzzcock · Post by **buzzcock** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:50 pm

anyone use jamstix? i know it's PC only but maybe worth gettting a crappy windows machine just for it (MIDI out to impulse/sampler on the MBP).

vedhead · Post by **vedhead** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:54 am

Groove Agent is the SHIT. LOVE IT.

But when I use it with LIVE, some of the midi functions wont work, like Fill, 1/2 Time, Snare/Stick...

Ideas?

Thanks!

Klinikal · Post by **Klinikal** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:53 pm

motormouth wrote:STOMPER!!!!!!!!

it's free, ancient, and has become virtually unknown, yet is my favorite tool for creating drum hits, especially bass kicks. You can manipulate samples, or synthesize the drum sound, or both. just try it and see.

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/stomper/index2.html

Or try DRUMSYNTH!!!

DRUMSYNTH works way much better for me

http://www.mda-vst.com/

I also use MicroTonic - love that synthetic sounds!

Cheers!!!

ploy · Post by **ploy** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:58 pm

no hardware.

guru (just the best thing around)
redrum (rewired from reason, for randomized beats)