MAC-PC

Shoma · Post by **Shoma** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:28 pm

nebulae wrote:I roll old skool:

Naaah,

new skool:

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:33 pm

Your pirates are totally gay. Mine are manly pirates.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:15 am

noisetonepause wrote:
ze2be wrote:
radialson wrote:If you can, spend the extra cash on a mac c2d so you can do what I said earlier...you can get both worlds and you won't go kicking yourself later when you realize you should have bought a mac. If you do go pc(meaning a windows only machine), virtualization to try to run os x won't do you any justice. If you get a mac and can afford to max out the ram, do it. I did it to mine and it flies, It was zippy with 1gb, but now the speed is insane.
I dont know man, bootcamp is still beta, isnt it? I would wait a year before doing that, see how it turns out. No apps suport it yet, why risk it?
What do you mean, no apps support it? For all intents and purposes, a Mac running Windows via bootcamp IS a Windows PC (the only trickery goes in the very early phases of booting Windows). You might not be able to get tech support from the company you bought you software from, and Apple won't care if something blows up or you can't get Windows running, but that's quite different to it not working.

Suported as in recomended by the developers. I dont know, I could be wrong, but I read a lot around that people testing it are advicing to wait until it works better. Theres issues with the graphics card, etc.

Im waiting untill I see some good test results on Live, on games, and on the system as whole, runing on bootcamp. If you have links on good test results, please post them!

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:22 am

nebulae wrote:I think requiring an insane hardware upgrade to beef up an OS where the market isn't "asking" for a new OS is where M$ has backfired bigtime.

BUT because every new pc will have Vista it will just happen
what worries me is all the extra DRM built into Vista .. 99.99% of people have no idea there is a load of DRM under the hood for music movies and any sort of content let alone the stuff mentioned by Balmer in the article I pasted.
It is fine to some degree but he who controls the computer and the content can become just like any dictatorship.. controlling what is spread to the world .. Control the masses minds and you have absolute power. Lock everyone into a system and there is no chance to escape.. then again maybe I'll just choose not to turn the thing on!.. I can see why a bunch of PC users really are working hard on Linux

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:19 am

ze2be wrote:I dont get the anger dude. And he didnt argument about lack of funds. If you think you are suporting developers with this additude, I think you are wrong. Sorry, but someone had to say that. Grow up, or flame me down to hell if yo like, I dont care.

OK then, you're an idiot and you just don't get it. Perhaps if you had any common sense you wouldn't go around trying to stick up for software piracy on a forum run by software developers, but I guess you don't.

No real hatred here, I just think it's funny that you are that numb. Also grow the fuck up will you? this isn't your little groovy hippie rave party, this is anarchy and order in one solid punch. You want to act like an idiot on an unmoderated forum hosted by people that actually care about music and art, go right ahead, I'll join you if you don't mind!

Anger is healthy!

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:38 am

copied this out of an unnamed but well know mag for musicians sounds like they will do anything to your audio and video to keep pirates away including polling your hardware for voltage fluctuations.. read on faithful pirates ! and If you see a boat sinking and see an SOS from them in March 2007 you will have the secret of my source.

Vista's DRM (Digital Rights Management), designed to prevent you from copying 'premium content' (mostly High Definition DVD and Blu-ray movies, but also other formats, such as Super Audio CD). Apparently, video and audio devices are required to implement AES128 encryption to receive premium content from Windows Vista, which requires extra hardware support on expansion cards, increasing cost and imposing extra processing overheads. If you attempt playback of this kind of copyright material on devices without such protection you may face automatic downgrading of both video and audio quality: apparently, analogue outputs are exempt, but digital connections such as DVI and S/PDIF may produce an output that looks or sounds fuzzier than normal, or may, in the worst case, be completely disabled.

Also worrying is that both hardware and its drivers will apparently be polled every 30ms to check for such things as voltage fluctuations or signal jitter that might indicate potential hacking of premium content. This additional overhead has already resulted in dropped video frames and audio stuttering on a few review systems, and some industry experts even predict that Microsoft will eventually be able to remotely disable drivers that exhibit any inherent security weakness.

None of these features ought to affect playback of our own original material, and of course the sensible approach is to wait and see what happens in practice, but I know full well that hordes of people will buy Vista as soon as it's released, so let's be careful out there: don't abandon Windows XP until you're sure Vista does what you need in a stable and reliable manner. Above all, remember that until each music developer makes an official announcement about Vista compatibility, you are their guinea pigs.

Digi V · Post by **Digi V** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:50 am

twistandshout · Post by **twistandshout** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:03 am

I have just converted to a Mac and have bought many programs perviously for PC such as, Reason, Pro Tools and cubase.
Im planning to buy Ableton but want to use it on my mac OS not PC.....what are the pro's and con's to this?

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:05 am

Machinesworking wrote:
ze2be wrote:I dont get the anger dude. And he didnt argument about lack of funds. If you think you are suporting developers with this additude, I think you are wrong. Sorry, but someone had to say that. Grow up, or flame me down to hell if yo like, I dont care.
OK then, you're an idiot and you just don't get it. Perhaps if you had any common sense you wouldn't go around trying to stick up for software piracy on a forum run by software developers, but I guess you don't.
No real hatred here, I just think it's funny that you are that numb. Also grow the fuck up will you? this isn't your little groovy hippie rave party, this is anarchy and order in one solid punch. You want to act like an idiot on an unmoderated forum hosted by people that actually care about music and art, go right ahead, I'll join you if you don't mind!

Anger is healthy!

Idiot? No common sense? Hippie? Numb? Fuck up? Is that all you got?

Your just a troll on a holy mission. How lame is that!

If you call filesharing kids pirates, id say your on a wrong path. Other then that, well... of cource its not all good, but is it realy that bad?

Dont know if anger is healthy, but it shure is amusing!

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:52 am

twistandshout wrote:I have just converted to a Mac and have bought many programs perviously for PC such as, Reason, Pro Tools and cubase.
Im planning to buy Ableton but want to use it on my mac OS not PC.....what are the pro's and con's to this?

pros and cons ?
not too sure what sort of info you are looking for LIve, Reason and protools all run on a MAc extremely well cubase version 4 is intel mac as well.. I use all the same as you have listed except protools and use to run them on a PC and the pros I would say is setup is a lot less complicated.. dont have all those driver issues. To me apart from OSX the biggest upside of the MAcs are they are a much narrower set of hardware which means they just work. I dont think I have had a full crash of the system but once in the last 2 years and it was something pretty dumb I was doing
Cant say I have had any issues with Live bombing out on my MBPRO.

mybe u could be a little more specific. I have found "it just works" to be true.. I enjoy a less stressful computer existance and one heck of a lot less mucking about
I bought a MAc for music production for that purpose alone. I am in IT and work with both systems on a daily basis but just like the lower stress.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:10 am

ze2be wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:You want to act like an idiot on an unmoderated forum hosted by people that actually care about music and art, go right ahead, I'll join you if you don't mind!
Idiot? No common sense? Hippie? Numb? Fuck up? Is that all you got?

Your just a troll on a holy mission. How lame is that!

If you call filesharing kids pirates, id say your on a wrong path. Other then that, well... of cource its not all good, but is it realy that bad?

Dont know if anger is healthy, but it shure is amusing!

Irony is lost with language barriers. Read the bold face, and understand that you still haven't addressed the simple point...... You are advocating using "try before you buy" software on a forum run by a software company.

It's in total bad taste, period.
I'm tired of talking about the merits of file sharing etc. it's all excuses to me, and I'm just having fun with you. You started the name calling, I just called bullshit on somebody that's all.
Shit you even attacked somebody else right afterwards, for little or no reason.... but yeah I'm the angry one.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:07 am

Machinesworking wrote:
ze2be wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:You want to act like an idiot on an unmoderated forum hosted by people that actually care about music and art, go right ahead, I'll join you if you don't mind!
Idiot? No common sense? Hippie? Numb? Fuck up? Is that all you got?

Your just a troll on a holy mission. How lame is that!

If you call filesharing kids pirates, id say your on a wrong path. Other then that, well... of cource its not all good, but is it realy that bad?

Dont know if anger is healthy, but it shure is amusing!
Irony is lost with language barriers. Read the bold face, and understand that you still haven't addressed the simple point...... You are advocating using "try before you buy" software on a forum run by a software company. It's in total bad taste, period.
I'm tired of talking about the merits of file sharing etc. it's all excuses to me, and I'm just having fun with you. You started the name calling, I just called bullshit on somebody that's all.
Shit you even attacked somebody else right afterwards, for little or no reason.... but yeah I'm the angry one.

Theres a difference between an attack, a joke and a coment. I come to this forum to eighter learn or teach. Cant say I got eighter from talking to you here!

-and im not all to serious here eighter

You think it is ok to attack forum posters, pushing forward your own personal moral laws. Its not helping the comunity very well, is it?

The moderators doesnt seem to mind mentioning piracy around here. So it seams your on some kind of vigilante quest. I think most people here would like the moderators to be the "police" here, not you. And in a childish name calling way too! ....momy, he is rude...

>You are advocating using "try before you buy"

Not saying im using it, not promoting it. Just saying its not ok attacking individuals just because they are mentioning the word.

If you want to discuss piracy, make a thread and ill meet you there! Leave this post for what it was ment for, mac or pc!

tricil · Post by **tricil** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 am

which pirates are the best for trance music

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:27 am

hoffman2k wrote:
ze2be wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:I love the so-called pro's.
They're just so lovable

Yeah, get the mac with the stuttering tracks..
Beats a stuttering parrot...
"Poly wants a c-c-c-cc-c-c-c-c-ccccrack"
I love the so-called pros with 6000 posts of bullshit
Who said i was a pro?
I know shit about audio.
In ten years of learning about it, I'll still know only a fraction of what there is to know. Hear what there is to be heard.

You need 6000 posts to still care enough about the tutorials.
You think my post count is bad, go check a fan forum of a popgroup like atomic kitten. A link was once posted here..
Those people have over 50 000 posts in the same amount of time it took me to get to 5000.

btw.. 6000 posts of bullshit...
I got at least 500 threads in all the previous beta forums...
And this is the thanks i get

Anyway, threads like this always spark ideas...
How about a pack full of theater strings called "Shivering Timbres"

Im just joking with you man! Its a joke on the joke!

I see you around here a lot, and you are usualy always very helpfull!

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:46 am

Shoma wrote:
nebulae wrote:I roll old skool:

Naaah,

new skool:

I see no piracy there