Dancetracks Digital Remix competition: 'Mucky Star'

dphouse84 · Post by **dphouse84** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:56 pm

I was just making a joke of things. That Xone mixer is the jelly in my PB&J.
i love ableton (esp6) and will be giving this contest a shot.

i completely understand your position on the contest.

it's just nice to see companies get into these contests for marketing purposes along with giving back to the community.

its a win-win situation all around.

thanks

Josh Von · Post by **Josh Von** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:03 pm

slow riot wrote: To makes the loops rhythmically useable (as in to play like in the original, and not just use the sounds in them for sampling), there are some adjustments that need to be made... \

You're not supposed to play "like in the original". You're supposed to remix it into something new.

The fact that it was set up even remotely close is way more than you usually (should?) recieve parts, when do you ever get a remix with all the loops locked in on a grid like that?

But I think a concession was probably made to give new Live users a tiny little head start to drop some loops in. Be original imo.

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slow riot · Post by **slow riot** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:34 pm

yeah I understand that, but I think a lot of what makes the original interesting (apart from those delicious vocals) is the rhythms from the clever looping of those percussions. And I think having a live set which is correctly set up is gonna increase the chance of remixers doing something interesting with those rhythms, rather than just loading the hits into impulse and setting up a standard 4/4 beat.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the original is a springboard for your own ideas as a remixer, and by having a live set that is a truer representation of the ideas contained withinin the original, it's likely to encourage better remixing.

Josh Von · Post by **Josh Von** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:29 pm

slow riot wrote: having a live set that is a truer representation of the ideas contained withinin the original, it's likely to encourage better remixing.

I think its the direct opposite, if you lead people too strongly in a certain direction they will tend to follow that direction. Its easier to copy than it is to create

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sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:36 am

fuck i just remixed the wrong track

Idgy · Post by **Idgy** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:06 am

How did you manage that ? . Would like to check out some of the remixes you guys come up with for this contest. I have been working on my all day, not that happy with it though, needs some more refining me things.

jesQuick · Post by **jesQuick** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:53 am

Idgy wrote:Would like to check out some of the remixes you guys come up with for this contest. I have been working on my all day, not that happy with it though, needs some more refining me things.

Yeah, I´d like to share as well... Can we post them on myspace or is there some legal problems in that!?

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:57 am

jesQuick wrote:
Idgy wrote:Would like to check out some of the remixes you guys come up with for this contest. I have been working on my all day, not that happy with it though, needs some more refining me things.
Yeah, I´d like to share as well... Can we post them on myspace or is there some legal problems in that!?

you read the earlier posts right?

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:20 am

Idgy wrote:How did you manage that ? . Would like to check out some of the remixes you guys come up with for this contest. I have been working on my all day, not that happy with it though, needs some more refining me things.

i wound up on the section of their site with the live sampler

ended up remixing some track from soma records lol

anyways did my remix its in wish me luck, if i win live, ill give it away to one of u guys

the ar · Post by **the ar** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:11 pm

As Angstrom says, the clauses are sounding much like a "you're gonna get it up the arse if your remix goes big".
I totally agree with what he said.
I also think that the original track is pretty dull and uninteresting, musically speaking and production wise, too.
Just my two cents.

Idgy · Post by **Idgy** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:45 am

If you guys are really worried you are going to 'get it up the arse' when your remix blows up, just dont enter !

personally, I am not being approached by labels asking me for my remixes, and I pretty much spend most of my spare time messin with Live, so this is a great thing to get into. Even if I dont submit anything, this is fun and pretty cool of Get Phys to put a new track out like this to play with.

Sibanger · Post by **Sibanger** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:21 am

Are there only 4 Loops/Sample files in the download?
Sounds a bit shite to me.
Can anyone direct me to a link where i can listen to the full original track?
Does anyone know the original BPM of the track?
Thanks

Idgy · Post by **Idgy** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:17 am

As far as I could tell, the remix set has all the original bits in it, or near to it. I downloaded the release from DTD just to listen to it a bunch of times on the way to work, get a feel for it and its a pretty minimal release. plenty of scope to add your own flavour

http://www.dancetracksdigital.com/searc ... 73&ALBUM=1

r0bsta · Post by **r0bsta** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:17 am

laurence wrote:"all rights go to GPM" etc.

and no samples used that you dont own the rights for,

basically they get afree track (minus maybe £1300ish for the prizes) and dont have to buy any sample rights + probably some more t&cs, i havnt read it for a couple of days

these are absolutely standard clauses for music contracts. a label has to make sure they can't be sued for using samples that aren't cleared - you can't blame them for that. re rights - that's what a record contract does, you sell someone the rights to your music in exchange for them marketing it and then paying you. it might suck from an artist's point of view but the other option is setting up a label and doing it all yourself...

Angstrom wrote: I've had enough of that sort of behaviour, the attitude that a remix is just a minor derivative work simply doesn't stand up when often its the remixes that make the hit.
Although points are a pain in the arse to administer, I would much prefer a clause where any great success or use in an advert will trigger a secondary payment.

Its a big list of half arsed tracks that have been made into hits by remixes, where the remixer gets some token amount of cash and the label reaps any rewards.
With most remixes the song is a complete rebuild, so a complete rights assignment for a possible $75 gift token just seems insulting to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't offering Live 6 as a prize a little surreal / pointless in a contest directed at live users?

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/ ... laves.html

... But Marriott signed a contract for the remix alone, and thus never received proper credit. Read any review of the single and it will duly heap praise upon Bodyrox. In fact, off the back of the tune's success, Bodyrox have signed a fat contract with Notting Hill Music. Marriott has been left with, well, kudos from people who really know the score. And kudos, while hardly unwelcome, won't put milk on your Shreddies.

the thing is, it's very hard to get someone to do remix work for a percentage, especially if they are any good. remix work is money in the bank once you have a reputation - a fee paid upfront - which is better than waiting for sales, and then for that money to go from shop to distributer to label and then a year later maybe reaching you.

marriott was offered a contract for a fixed fee, if he didn't agree with that then he could've asked for more. in retrospect it might seem stupid of someone to take a fee of a few hundred quid for a remix that goes on to get into the top 40, but when you are offered that fee, you don't know if it's going to blow up or bomb out. if it had sold 4 copies, marriott would've walked away with exactly the same fee, and the label would be out of pocket. as it goes, he can probably ask for a couple of extra zeros on his next fee as a result of that remix getting in the charts, so in the long term, he's not going to have done himself any harm.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:29 am

yeah, it's true - more my personal history than his I guess. Once bitten and all that.

Once upon a time a band of anarchists asked us to do a remix, they said to us "look, we are all skint - so we can only give you £50, but if it goes into the top ten we'll cut you in no worries" .
How we laughed .. how the fuck was a band with a name like Chumbawamba going to chart with a song like "Tubthumping" , nevertheless we remixed it as best we could for the 50 notes. Dropping the bit about "pissing the night away", that was a rubbish bit.

Oddly that was the last we heard from them. Anarchy just looks so small from 40 thousand feet up.

Obviously our mix, didn't chart - but then, (I thought) they could have at least thrown us another 50, seeing as I was on the dole at the time