Vista Sound Card Issue -Anyone got theirs working

selthym · Post by **selthym** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:07 am

I just purchased a Laptop and no longer will be able to use my m-audio delta 1010lt. I have a BCD2000 which has a sound card with ASIO drivers. I am trying to get this to work on Vista and I am having major issues. I cn get sound from the card but it slows down live dramaticly and often crashes. Even with Latency set to the absolute highest buffer size their are constant cracks and audio dropouts. I get lower latency with the inbuilt soundcard and much faster performance from Live.

- Has anyone got a BCD2000 and Live working well together on Vista.
- Has anyone got their soundcard working with low latency ASIO drivers in Vista. ( from what I have read most manufacturers have not put out vista drivers as yet... apart from edirol)

If so how???

selthym · Post by **selthym** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:10 am

Anyone using Vista?

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:12 am

I've got a test machine with vista installed -- a generic shuttle PC with an onboard soundcard. Also no dice on the vista drivers, but I haven't had the time (or desire) to sit down and hack it out.

NorthernMonkey · Post by **NorthernMonkey** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:09 pm

Just been talking to our support guy from Microsoft at work - he's given up on Vista and rolled back to XP

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:28 pm

My soundcard is mysteriously working now. Weird -- but good.

JamieG · Post by **JamieG** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:45 pm

Having used vista since September, I think I'm pretty qualified to say IT SUX!!

It is a big upgrade in interface and looks, but is a HUGE downgrade in performance.....it slowed my computer down, BIG time!!!

It takes up 7 gig on your hard drive and what for? If they are not going to ditch their legacy support and their 20 year old bios technology for compatibility sakes, then WHY THE HELL DON"T ANY OF MY DRIVERS WORK?

If you are thinking of 'Upgrading' to Vista, make sure you have a BEEFY graphics card cos it needs A LOT of graphic power just to show you the bloody desktop!!

I'd stick with XP till you can get all the drivers and applications running reliably on Vista.

MICROSOFT...HOW DID YOU SPEND $100 BILLION on a new interface for XP (I mean another new interface for 95) ???

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:56 pm

This might be a dumb question, but did anyone try ASIO4ALL? Something tells me there's no way it'd work, but it's just that kick ass that I had to ask.

Nogi · Post by **Nogi** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:53 pm

Tone Deft wrote:This might be a dumb question, but did anyone try ASIO4ALL? Something tells me there's no way it'd work, but it's just that kick ass that I had to ask.

'My Vista Experience' or
'What I did for the last few weeks instead of making music'

Why Vista for me right now? The timing was right as I was due for a PC hardware upgrade anyway as I was outrunning the system resources constantly. I received Vista Ultimate and decided to give it a sniff as I knew I now had the hardware to tackle it and that would put a few issues to bed. The question was going to be, 'Does Vista at this time have the ability to handle real-time audio at a performance level that allows me to create with a reasonable workflow in Ableton Live 6?' I'm prepared to take some lumps if I can avoid a future upgrade that will no doubt come at the worst possible time.

OS-wise, I killed off 'Search Indexer', 'User Account Control' and all the 'aero' graphics frou frou after less than a week. I now had a much more stable and responsive platform. But is this still Vista?

On to audio:
I tried the HD onboard first and the Microsoft drivers worked for audio playback. Likewise, the Realtek drives worked fine - auto sensing of microphone, headphones and speakers worked. iTunes still as crashtastic as ever for playback.

For music prodution, I knew going in that my preferred audio/control interface was going to gather dust for a couple months while drivers were developed. (Tascam unofficially says 'May'.) Originally, I was going to try a stopgap audio interface in the MOTU Ultralite but recent firmware problems and very finicky drivers pulled it out of the running. I decided on the Line6 UX2. It is inexpensive, had some new sounds for guitar, bass, vocal production and the drivers by reputation were as good as anything right now.

The Line6 UX2 installed easily and all drivers 'worked'. Other developers could learn a lot from their installer. I wrapped the DX drivers with ASIO4ALL just to try it with Ableton Live 6.0.5 and it 'worked'. It also worked with its native ASIO drivers. I had occasional CPU spikes and the infamous blinking 'D' indicating harddrive lag on nearly every set, however. For a CPU that was running at 8-13% with some of the fastest harddrives on the market, things felt slow and unresponsive. My new PC ran worse at 8% load with Vista than my old one with 60% load with XP.

I started to try and drop the latencies and things began to get bleak in a hurry. The best I managed to get to was 1024 samples. This was with the native Line6 ASIO. At least this made things black and white for me, I have a lot of vocal and guitar tracking to do in the coming months and audio dropouts at 50ms is not part of the plan. I've tabled Vista for now and reverted back to XP Pro. I am still very excited about WaveRT as a technology but ASIO on Vista is dead to me. Larry Osterman will no doubt get a snotty email from me at some point. Effectively killing off two of the most important technologies in the PC world, ASIO and OpenGL, is a tragedy. Especially, when you consider that the reasons given were largely just a DRM appeasement.

Back on planet XP Pro, I am finally benefitting from the significant hardware upgrades. My system is stable, fast and, dare I say, inspiring. I really missed my Tascam FW1082. (I had a brief heart attack when it wouldn't work properly after a seemingly OK install. I had forgotten about the incompatibility with VIA firewire chips such as those present on the new mobo.)

Finally, thanks to Ableton and Line6 for being as impressive as always in their ability to deliver on the promise of their products in a very uncertain development climate!

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:25 am

There is an extensive Vista tips thread over in Tips & Tricks. Search for it.

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:32 am

Vista = the UB of PC world

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:34 am

or in Apu's words

"HA! NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS!!!!"

selthym · Post by **selthym** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:18 am

Tone Deft wrote:This might be a dumb question, but did anyone try ASIO4ALL? Something tells me there's no way it'd work, but it's just that kick ass that I had to ask.

Yep tried that... Asio4All dis not recognise the my standard inbuilt sound card drivers

darkcatt · Post by **darkcatt** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:56 pm

Vista is having some issue's but more over is the drivers that runin vista.

Vista is supposed to be more plug and play and is supposed to test hardware and run on XP emulation mode if nessacary.

I would create a dual boot sector and and load xp in the back.

Truth be told is that Vista will be great once all the drivers are caught up, I mean come one they modeled it after OSX( yes my mac peeps I agree with you, I just think MAc is just as evil if not more than MSN). It is just a matter of time till everyone updates all the millions of drivers out there.

Cheers!

guidold · Post by **guidold** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:38 pm

selthym wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:This might be a dumb question, but did anyone try ASIO4ALL? Something tells me there's no way it'd work, but it's just that kick ass that I had to ask.
Yep tried that... Asio4All dis not recognise the my standard inbuilt sound card drivers

I had the same problem...no devices were showing on the WDM device list. I reported that on the ASIO4ALL forums and the creator told me that there will be full Windows Vista support on the next release (v2.8 ).

We just have to wait...