Novation SL - Universal Automap - Today?

buzzcock · Post by **buzzcock** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:20 pm

palimpsest73 wrote:Has anyone gotten the Automap Plug-In manager program to work? I get an error saying it can't create resource files in the Plug-In directory. And when I try to drag he installed plugs into the automap enabled side, nothing appears. Ditto in Live, no automap version plugs available. This is baffling, the SL itself updated just fine.

I was getting the same problem. The installer was looking to install the automap plugin in my user library instead of where my main system library where my "Components" and "VST" folders are.

I just created a "Components" folder in Users/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/, reinstalled the SL software and The AutomapUniversal Plug-in was created there, and works propperly,

EXCEPT...

It only recognizes AU plugs (not VST).

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:27 pm

buzzcock wrote:It only recognizes AU plugs (not VST).

I sent them an email asking when it would support VSTs for Mac and they said sometime in the summer.

NorthernMonkey · Post by **NorthernMonkey** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:47 pm

meio wrote:Hey guys,

I was told by Novation that provided the VSTi plugin supports it that the display readout on the RemoteSL will now show relevant parameter text.
i.e if you're editing an oscillator which has a choice of 5 you'd see on the LCD screen the values 'square', 'sine', 'saw' etc. instead of just a number value.

Is this so?
Cheers,
Meio

That is so

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:13 pm

Seems to be all working nicely here with Cubase sx3.1...

I can't locate the pot pickup bug (with Cubase anyway..) It seems to wait until the knob reaches the correct position..

meio wrote:Hey guys,
I was told by Novation that provided the VSTi plugin supports it that the display readout on the RemoteSL will now show relevant parameter text.
i.e if you're editing an oscillator which has a choice of 5 you'd see on the LCD screen the values 'square', 'sine', 'saw' etc. instead of just a number value.
Meio

Now we just need to let Novation know that we don't need the parameter readouts to display the value plus SIX decimal places

Personally, I don't really need to know my parameter values to a millionth of a degree (especially on a parameter range of 0 - 127 ) plus it looks so noisy ...

Cheers
bagginz

NorthernMonkey · Post by **NorthernMonkey** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:36 pm

bagginz wrote:Seems to be all working nicely here with Cubase sx3.1...

I can't locate the pot pickup bug (with Cubase anyway..) It seems to wait until the knob reaches the correct position..

meio wrote:Hey guys,
I was told by Novation that provided the VSTi plugin supports it that the display readout on the RemoteSL will now show relevant parameter text.
i.e if you're editing an oscillator which has a choice of 5 you'd see on the LCD screen the values 'square', 'sine', 'saw' etc. instead of just a number value.
Meio
Now we just need to let Novation know that we don't need the parameter readouts to display the value plus SIX decimal places

Personally, I don't really need to know my parameter values to a millionth of a degree (especially on a parameter range of 0 - 127 ) plus it looks so noisy ...

Cheers
bagginz

The Pot Pickup issue arises (at least in Live) when you switch between different plugins and activate the 'A' on the newly selected plugin - if you then switch back and activate 'A' on the first plugin, the pots don't pickup, they jump to the transmitted value.

djconrad · Post by **djconrad** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:28 am

God knows whats going on with Vintage Warmer 2 (on Mac)
Its all over the place and unuseable in automap on template 38, but seems to work fine with automap selected in the normal Ableton template 40.
Extremely bizarre considering previously before automap universal I couldn't get it to work with midi learn through Lives own midi learn system.
This is with this weeks 2.01 update as well

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:08 am

quite surprised here.
didn't think (on a mac)
that it would be so useful, but being able to edit the map for each au (hopfully vst for mac soon)
is awesome,
yeah@!

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:00 am

NorthernMonkey wrote:The Pot Pickup issue arises (at least in Live) when you switch between different plugins and activate the 'A' on the newly selected plugin - if you then switch back and activate 'A' on the first plugin, the pots don't pickup, they jump to the transmitted value.

I'm getting this too. I hope it is this isolated, and fixable. Otherwise this controller is still a double-edged sword.

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:13 am

well worth it!
even if it was no better than a midi box with a bunch of knobs, it would still be a great layout, that's why I bought it. Even withot automap, it makes me happy and feels nice. my 2sense.

palimpsest73 · Post by **palimpsest73** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:56 am

buzzcock wrote:
palimpsest73 wrote:Has anyone gotten the Automap Plug-In manager program to work? I get an error saying it can't create resource files in the Plug-In directory. And when I try to drag he installed plugs into the automap enabled side, nothing appears. Ditto in Live, no automap version plugs available. This is baffling, the SL itself updated just fine.
I was getting the same problem. The installer was looking to install the automap plugin in my user library instead of where my main system library where my "Components" and "VST" folders are.

I just created a "Components" folder in Users/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/, reinstalled the SL software and The AutomapUniversal Plug-in was created there, and works propperly,

EXCEPT...

It only recognizes AU plugs (not VST).

good lookin' buzzcock! I tried that, and it's working now. Thanks!

meio · Post by **meio** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:01 am

Krugger wrote:i'm getting proper descriptions (and numbered) for my synths

Fab-o. Can't wait to test it out. I'm still a bit nervous about how it'll all integrate in the Live environment.

Anyone remember the original template Novation provided for controlling Live? This was before Live had RemoteSL support built in. I really liked that way of triggering / controlling Live session clips and adjusting levels/mutes. Made me feel like I was playing an instrument! Obviously didn't like the static nature of how the channel display data appeared on the SL. i.e. Being restricted to names like 'Track 1' 'Track 2'. I was hoping that once RemoteSL support was included in Live that that template would remain largely the same and allow for quick flip-flopping back and forth between this kind of template and specific templates for VSTi's.

I'm really hoping that some kind of similar setup can be achieved now but I suspect I'll be disappointed.

It'd be great to be able to start off with the template, select a channel on the SL by pressing say a 'record' button ALA as you do in Live, have a plugin popup on the computer and then the corresponding template load on the SL. Once you're done editing a quick keypress back to the Live template of choice.
How do other people see themselves integrating it into Live? I really want to have as few button pushes as possible and as much automation of template swapping. That seems only logical to me but I'm curious to see what others think.
Meio

Cryocon · Post by **Cryocon** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:21 am

I have a couple of issues with the AU Automap stuff. Most of the automapped plugins end up in one folder and not their own respective folders as with the un automapped versions. As they are not in folders on the actual drive this is a bit strange and don't know how to fix it. They all work fine in Logic though.

Also the automapped verison of Analog Factory doesn't show any GUI when you open it. But once you move the mouse over they start to appear. The un automapped version doesn't do this.

All in all it's better than before, but i still feel it doesn't work as well as it should.

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:14 am

Cryocon wrote:I have a couple of issues with the AU Automap stuff. Most of the automapped plugins end up in one folder and not their own respective folders as with the un automapped versions. As they are not in folders on the actual drive this is a bit strange and don't know how to fix it. They all work fine in Logic though.

You can hide the unautomapped versions of your plugins but only the VSTs.

Cryocon wrote:Also the automapped verison of Analog Factory doesn't show any GUI when you open it. But once you move the mouse over they start to appear. The un automapped version doesn't do this.

Do you mean the wrapper around the GUI doesnt show? because i noticed this on AudioRealism Bassline. You should report this to Novation.

stsly · Post by **stsly** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:02 pm

Thanks for all this info, I am convienced enough now to buy a Remote SL 25.

One question I have tho is how will the controller work with Live and Reason connected via rewire.. Will the SL map to what ever is in foucs?

Thanks

royalobtuse · Post by **royalobtuse** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:27 pm

Another thing you can also do is dedicate the left hand side to plugin mapping and right hand side for Ableton control in a new template called (for example) Hybrid Automap.
Basically, it's a template with the left hand side portion 'stolen' from Template 38 and right-hand side from Template 40. You'd need to use the Editor to do this.

Hello, I would also like to have this kind of automap template. I tried to use the editor to copy and paste sections from each, to make the Hybrid, but it doesn't seem to work. Has anyone got this to work yet? If so, would they mind sharing the automap template?

Thanks!