Abeton can invest in a New York Office but no subgroups

[mercyplease]

So far you've done nothing but calling people names.
Hell, you've been doing it before the character you're playing now.

Yeah, we're all amateurs and you're the one true pro on this forum.
We've learned that from all the tips and tricks you posted so far.

Your expertise in creating music must be higher then exceptional.
And you even see thru "clever marketing ploys" like getting a NY office.
Getting 5 people to do PR on the other side of the world must behindering the developers in ways none but you can imagine.

Congratulations. You moved down a few pedestals.
You went from one of the most annoying asses on this place. To a person who deserves a lot of pitty.
Your ignorance is saddening

Ive been around the block many times and I know your type. trust me on that one I definitely know your type. To keep the peace I wont say what type your are but needless to say I have zero time or respect for people like you. now off you go and lick some arse its what your good at.

[mercyplease]

Daw people....

It's Ableton Live. Not Ableton studio......
If i wanted cubase, I would have bought it.

You want Ableton to stop making "useless" instruments.
I want them to stop adding offline processing, because thats not "Live".

There are over 100 000 Live users, try to get them to all agree....
We cant even do it with the 20-odd people in this thread.

This just shows how little experience or imagination you have.
You think because its called live theres no need for safe subs, what an effing joker you are. DID IT EVER occur to you that safe groups could be used live. for example a spur of the moment hit of the button to strip the track down to the drums only??? did you ever thiink that??? well did you????
Get off this topic dude you dont have the experience to comprehend this features uses, WE GET IT!!! YOU DONT WANT IT

SO PLEASE STOP FUCKING RESPONDING ON THESE THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mercyplease]

Almost didn't respond at all due to the obvious trolling, silly, absurd nature of the initial post. But...

I can hardly imagine any possible reason that Ableton would have for 'holding back' features. it seems that many people (including many of you in this discussion thus far) really don't have a grasp on how many different ways that Live is used.

Ableton (like any successful software company) gets an AMAZING number of feature requests. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM - Without exception, is "Absolutely essential" to someone and is "completely useless and a total waste of time" to someone else.

Personally, I couldn't care less about MIDI sequencing in Live.

Sub groups? Also worthless to me.

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I will be nice to you but I have to say your lack of knowledge doesnt deserve my attention but I guess your like many others here .
Imagine you have 1000 pounds. With the money you can employ some new staff and a shiny office or use some of it to get the team working on safe subs and offer it as an interim update just as other companies do. One option increases company profile and will turn in to profits in the future the other doesnt give you any profits. But the one that doesnt give you any profits could be held back for an upgradeable paid version which will give your profits. hmmmmm i wonder which one to choose.
Yes ableton gets a huge number of requests but they are not all essential to the user without exception and thats just foolish to think so. You obviously dont know what a safe sub is due to your lack of experience and to say you have no use for it is fine but clearly shows you havent mixed a cake never mind a song.
safe subs are totally essential for mixing even more so in a daw. This is not a weird feature request this is a simple feature that all other daws have and the feature has been around since analog consoles were invented.
Its also really amazing that only on this forum do so many people not actually know what safe groups or solos are. I feel like Im one of five or ten whoc ome here and know what this is. that is very frustrating having to explain teh benefits of such a standard process to people on this forum.
In the real world when I mention to peers live has no safe solo they think i have made a mistake. But they find it very strange when I tell them people like hoffman2k dont really want this feature. One friend didnt believe me that anyone wouldnt want safe groups and to prove it I had to find one of the many threads. he couldnt believe reaading some of hoffmans rhetoric.

[hoffman2k]

So far you've done nothing but calling people names.
Hell, you've been doing it before the character you're playing now.

Yeah, we're all amateurs and you're the one true pro on this forum.
We've learned that from all the tips and tricks you posted so far.

Your expertise in creating music must be higher then exceptional.
And you even see thru "clever marketing ploys" like getting a NY office.
Getting 5 people to do PR on the other side of the world must behindering the developers in ways none but you can imagine.

Congratulations. You moved down a few pedestals.
You went from one of the most annoying asses on this place. To a person who deserves a lot of pitty.
Your ignorance is saddening

Ive been around the block many times and I know your type. trust me on that one I definitely know your type. To keep the peace I wont say what type your are but needless to say I have zero time or respect for people like you. now off you go and lick some arse its what your good at.

No go ahead. If you honestly think you're a better type then me, please do so.
Prove to the world that you are something more then an annoying little brat.
Lets settle it for once and all. What the hell is your problem?
Do you need proffesional help? I can give you a few numbers.

This has got to end. Either participate in a conversation in a manner that will make people respect you. Or don't bother at all.

This is not even something personal. Even though you started off this mercy persona with attacking me thru PM's. So I remember you from DAY 1. And you were here before that. Because your first PM to me was "See if you can figure this one out, Hoffie".
I rarely forget.

You attack person after person for no reason. Got bugs? There are proper ways to get heard. Didn't get the feature you wanted? Join the club!
Feel you're unheard, unnoticed and ignored?
Guess why sherlock.

So your only outlet is to try to be annoying. Like I said. At first it was annoying. Now its just sad.

You need help. Be it from a Live update or proffesional counselor.

[telekom]

Its also really amazing that only on this forum do so many people not actually know what safe groups or solos are. I feel like Im one of five or ten whoc ome here and know what this is. that is very frustrating having to explain teh benefits of such a standard process to people on this forum.
In the real world when I mention to peers live has no safe solo they think i have made a mistake. But they find it very strange when I tell them people like hoffman2k dont really want this feature. One friend didnt believe me that anyone wouldnt want safe groups and to prove it I had to find one of the many threads. he couldnt believe reaading some of hoffmans rhetoric.

Go on then. Get over yourself and actually contribute something positive to this place. Explain it to us, instead of making really offensive comments at people. Put the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

I don't normally allow trolls and assholes to provoke me but I've got a hangover.

[mercyplease]

KK, i don't know who you imagine "ableton's brass" to be, but remember you're dealing with one of the very few software companies that is actually still owned and run by electronic musicians.

i don't think those guys have given up any control over the overall steering of the ship, and it shows in the product they're putting out.


I think if they were overtaken by nefarious shadowy figures we'd be looking at a more straight DAW product, probably more like what you want. When that happens, i'll stop upgrading.


right now, i'm looking at a product that has been designed with a user like me in mind. God, the elegance of control in 6 is great. You can actually customize the program to be your own instrument in a way unthinkable in just about anything else. And i love how the sound design tools get deeper and deeper in each update. the new saturator's wave shaper? amazing. Sampler? worth every extra penny if you're in it for the sound design aspect....


whateve, i'm not going to go on and on, even though i could, but maybe tyou should realize that if ableton were really falling prey to the evils of some corporate entity, they'd have a hard time justifying the direction the development has gone, because the DAW market is a bigger dollar than the electronic composer market. Or does it make more sense to be the best soft out there for that electronic composer market rather than to fully wade into the oversaturated DAW market??? i dunno. But i can say that it's hard to look at live and say, "geez, here's a product made by out of touch suits just trying to make a buck."


whatever, stodgy old engineers just don't get it, i guess.



.lm.

I wouldnt care less if ableton was owned by the man on the moon whats that got to do with features. oh i get it just because their all cuddly and friendly and writing music like we do then its ok for them to hold back a basic and much requested feature THE MOST REQUESTED FEATURE
Please stop your fantasies because the idealism the ableton company had at inception has long gone and its plainly obvious. This is all about market share and profits and has little if anything to do with features.
Christ do I have to spell shit out. You know that Live is bundled free with sound cards and other software do you think theres maybe the tiniest poss that certain features are not in live because the software might not get bundled with certain other software?? theres all sorts of licencing deals going on that we know nothing about and you can take it from me those deals provide a great income BUT the small software company needs to be careful they dont look to big for their boots which could mean certain features are held back.
wel this is from my experience in software from years ago and I would imagine the business model has changed and would have all sorts of new clauses in the licence deals that Im not aware of.

[hoffman2k]

Oh please. Do some proper research.
I said group solo should be an option. It should not be hardwired.

The post you quoted wasn't even reffering to the original post. It was a reply to another reply.

Group solo is already possible. Should they not add the feature you and others want? Sure they should include it.
But it should be an option because it would mess up sets with complex routings.
Like i stated in http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 282#362282

What about signals that are routed all over the place?
Hitting solo would solo everything.

I guess thats the reason why its not implemented yet.

A new type of audio track (mix bus?) would do the trick imo.
So that eveything linked to that track would solo.
It wouldn't mess up old sets and it's about as straightforward as you can get.

Another suggestion in another thread was to put the option as a right-click menu on the solo button.

I'm not opposed to new features. As long as they don't mess up previous projects.
You might not have noticed it, but Ableton has always paid attention to making sure that older sets will still work in the newest versions of Live.

[rikhyray]

I was hoping for that feature to come in ver. 5. I am definitely disappointed with ver 6 because for me- but just for me does not bring anything truly useful. It does however for many others and that is fine, even if the 100 Euro upgrade was just a donation, I am very happy to do that. I support Ableton and they support me too, providing with tools for my work.
So while I vote loud YES, I am not convinced about the relevant connection> opening N.Y office, in long run it may mean exactly opposite. US is the most important market in this industry. How could you, me or any user know the details, trust me there are no idiots at Ableton, and even if they make mistakes (no reason to think that opening office in world capital is one) then it is part of the business anyway.
Since I know personally number of people in soft and hardware music industry, must say Ableton keeps it real as much as possible and are much closer to the user base then others, and they develop it further.
Also they are mostly really smart individuals, progressive, the most important they are very passionate and dedicated unlike those Steinbergs, Emagics rather alienated in their arrogance.


Would be great to have the groups in the next update, for me the most important missing feature but why to fight about it, getting upset and upsetting others. It is as much useless as the "Live is perfect, the best DAW ever" posts
Keeping posting, asking in sensible way, without irritating, upsetting anyone will be more effective.

P.S. Mercy, it is not so bad as you think, believe me, i am tired of that whole hypocrisy and bullshit of the industry ( I mean manufacturers > NAMM, Musik Messe and all that) On last Messe I spend most of my time with Abletonians because they are still normal, nice people while the rest is the same shit I have known since decades, and don't bother to be involved anymore. Luckily I don't have to depend on endorsement deals, sponsoring the tours anymore, so don't have to be part of that circus.
I dont think it is true what you say, it is not just money etc, I would imagine if it would move in that direction many of the Ableton crew would leave.