I've always been interested in the Kaoss pad, and now the mini-kp in particular. My question is, how have you guys seen it integrated into different setups, with the audio routings and everything?
Right now, lets say I have a sound card with multiple outs and ins. Is it possible to take 2 outputs from the sound card (L/R) -- plug them into the ins on a Kaoss Pad -- then go from the Kaoss Pad back into one of the inputs on the sound card?
I don't want to create some sort of tear in the spacetime continuum or cross the beams like in Ghostbusters and fuck shit up...
But I also don't want to route "everything" through the KP. Any thoughts?
Be gentle, I'm a noob.
adding a kaoss pad
you can't put multiple inputs into the KP. there's only 1 line in, and the other inputs (phono, mic) are switchable.
it is possible to route only one output of your soundcard to the KP and another out direct to the PA.
if you re-route what goes out of the KP back into Live, you may have a small delay, that you should be able to adjust, but that's gonna probably be a PITA.
about the miniKP: it doesn't have a midi in, so you won't be able to synch the effects. and that's something sweeeet i would miss.
it is possible to route only one output of your soundcard to the KP and another out direct to the PA.
if you re-route what goes out of the KP back into Live, you may have a small delay, that you should be able to adjust, but that's gonna probably be a PITA.
about the miniKP: it doesn't have a midi in, so you won't be able to synch the effects. and that's something sweeeet i would miss.
yeah, i'm only talking about putting one input into the KP. routing one output of the soundcard through the KP and another to the PA (or monitors, in my case) is what i'm trying to say.
audio out 1 --> L Monitor in
audio out 2 --> R Monitor in
audio out 3 --> KP L in
audio out 4 --> KP R in
KP L Out --> (?) extra soundcard L in
KP R Out --> (?) extra soundcard R in
i read about the missing midi... yeah, that is kind of weak.
i doubt i'm really going to buy one, i'm putting a moratorium on buying gear i don't need/don't know how to use. i have a laptop, midi keyboard, sound card and monitors - trying to get the most out of that first.
audio out 1 --> L Monitor in
audio out 2 --> R Monitor in
audio out 3 --> KP L in
audio out 4 --> KP R in
KP L Out --> (?) extra soundcard L in
KP R Out --> (?) extra soundcard R in
i read about the missing midi... yeah, that is kind of weak.
i doubt i'm really going to buy one, i'm putting a moratorium on buying gear i don't need/don't know how to use. i have a laptop, midi keyboard, sound card and monitors - trying to get the most out of that first.
i would put the KP out directly to the PA, not back into the the soundcard (latency problems).
the KP is really cool for live performances. but then, if it's only for the studio, there's not much you can't do with Live.
so if you plan on performing, it's a good investment. maybe you'll be able to afford it after doing a couple of gigs.
the KP is really cool for live performances. but then, if it's only for the studio, there's not much you can't do with Live.
so if you plan on performing, it's a good investment. maybe you'll be able to afford it after doing a couple of gigs.
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no, you're wrong, the KP just doesn't work in the sudio.
these boxes need open air and only work when being carried around.
i mean, of course they work in a studio, but most of the effects you can achieve with live devices.
if the original poster wasn't sure whether he should spend $$ on it, i would say that if he is not gigging, this isn't a compulsory investment.
you guys are funny.
these boxes need open air and only work when being carried around.
i mean, of course they work in a studio, but most of the effects you can achieve with live devices.
if the original poster wasn't sure whether he should spend $$ on it, i would say that if he is not gigging, this isn't a compulsory investment.
you guys are funny.
So my understanding is there is no way to compensate for audio out of live into the kp
and back into live to syn up with something beeing outputed straight out to the master?
Ie a setup where the kp is a send?
If anyone knows how to do this..I'd really appreciate it..delay compensation doesn't seem possible for this situation. I've dealt with compensaton from hardare coming in and thought I could do the same in this situation although it became apparent I could.n't do it
So my conclusion is to only use the kp as a master out in which all audio can be recorded back into a track and out to the master.
This is unfortunate but I guess I can live with this setup..
and back into live to syn up with something beeing outputed straight out to the master?
Ie a setup where the kp is a send?
If anyone knows how to do this..I'd really appreciate it..delay compensation doesn't seem possible for this situation. I've dealt with compensaton from hardare coming in and thought I could do the same in this situation although it became apparent I could.n't do it
So my conclusion is to only use the kp as a master out in which all audio can be recorded back into a track and out to the master.
This is unfortunate but I guess I can live with this setup..
I have a KP3 - use it with Live mostly as a controller. For audio use, then basically I basically route a submix or send out of live to it, then mix it with an external mixer. Its one of these boxes with loads of uses. Quite often just have it connected to my fireworx as a controller for that. Thought about trying to attach it to my guitar once as well - a bit large a heavy really. Perhaps butchering a mini kp maybe the answer there 
I tend to mix alot externally anyway for convenience as I use quite a few hardware fx and processing, so it get around the latency issue you would otherwise have.
For DJ use with live, well same - audio wise Ive mixed outside again when Ive used it with a DJ mixer, but have it midi'd back to live as a controller as well.
Dont know anything about the mini kp tho.
I tend to mix alot externally anyway for convenience as I use quite a few hardware fx and processing, so it get around the latency issue you would otherwise have.
For DJ use with live, well same - audio wise Ive mixed outside again when Ive used it with a DJ mixer, but have it midi'd back to live as a controller as well.
Dont know anything about the mini kp tho.
Nothing to see here - move along!
kaoss Pad 3 and Live
I beg to differ on the Kaoss Pad back into LIve PITA front...
I've been sending to and then back again using a KP3 back into LIve to then go out the master outputs with very little latency, but also use the headphone output to go to an analoge effects chain that it shares with my fretless bass. using 2 Line 6 DL 4s, Boss Octave pedal and Electroharmonix microbass synth. I like that the headphone out gives me a volume knob too, so I can cut it out at any time.
And using the KP3 as both a midi controller and a performance effect is something whihc seems easy enough, as the switch between the two is really ergonomic.
I'll use it at my gig tomorrow...any problems I'll post
I've been sending to and then back again using a KP3 back into LIve to then go out the master outputs with very little latency, but also use the headphone output to go to an analoge effects chain that it shares with my fretless bass. using 2 Line 6 DL 4s, Boss Octave pedal and Electroharmonix microbass synth. I like that the headphone out gives me a volume knob too, so I can cut it out at any time.
And using the KP3 as both a midi controller and a performance effect is something whihc seems easy enough, as the switch between the two is really ergonomic.
I'll use it at my gig tomorrow...any problems I'll post
Hi,
If you have an interface that enables zero-latency monitoring, that is you can send any input to the output without the sound going through the computer, than you can use the kaosspad very efficiently. Just send a stereo signal to it, return the processed signal to your soundcard, make sure the inputs receiving the kaosspad signal are not active in the software you're using but go straight to the sound interface's output and that's it. The only latency you will have to deal is the signal going to the KP and that's negligible if you have a good sound interface. This is how I sometimes use KP2 with the MOTU Traveler.
The KP2 is one of my main instruments on stage with the free improvisation band Islak Köpek. I can't imagine my left hand without out anymore! I use it as a MIDI controller to control Audiomulch. Using it with Live is more difficult as Live does not allow manual entry of controller values - KP sends at least two controllers at the same time when you touch the pad.
If you have an interface that enables zero-latency monitoring, that is you can send any input to the output without the sound going through the computer, than you can use the kaosspad very efficiently. Just send a stereo signal to it, return the processed signal to your soundcard, make sure the inputs receiving the kaosspad signal are not active in the software you're using but go straight to the sound interface's output and that's it. The only latency you will have to deal is the signal going to the KP and that's negligible if you have a good sound interface. This is how I sometimes use KP2 with the MOTU Traveler.
The KP2 is one of my main instruments on stage with the free improvisation band Islak Köpek. I can't imagine my left hand without out anymore! I use it as a MIDI controller to control Audiomulch. Using it with Live is more difficult as Live does not allow manual entry of controller values - KP sends at least two controllers at the same time when you touch the pad.
Computer: MBP M1Pro 32GB 1TB, MixPre 6 MKII
Hardware: Syntrx II, Matriarch, Hydrasynth, Minifreak, Nord Drum 2, Modular (mainly Make Noise)
Controllers: Push 3, Launchpad Mk3, Launch Control, Sensel Morph, PC4, Nanokontrol
Hardware: Syntrx II, Matriarch, Hydrasynth, Minifreak, Nord Drum 2, Modular (mainly Make Noise)
Controllers: Push 3, Launchpad Mk3, Launch Control, Sensel Morph, PC4, Nanokontrol
If you have to route the kp through the pc you can use the headphone out on the kp to avoid having to deal with the latency while playing. But it's best to avoid routing the kp back through the pc.peeddrroo wrote:i would put the KP out directly to the PA, not back into the the soundcard (latency problems).
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