[OT] - Interview with a former Jihadist

[Tone Deft]

I'm not religious, but I don't call myself an atheist.
Is someone without religion considered an atheist?

if you don't have a positive belief in god/gods, you're an atheist. If you hold the position "I know there is no God" then you are a 'strong atheist'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_atheism

Because if it's in wikipedia it must be true.

at the thought of someone hating god but believing in him, why not? Satan can't be loving god too much. Damn, there have been characters in movies where someone hates god but completely hates him, can't think of any, Dracula comes to mind.

A positive outlook on god has NOTHING to do with believing in him.

If you don't believe there's a god, you're an atheist.
If you're not sure, you're agnostic (that term weak atheist is lame.)
If you have faith that there is a god, you're a <christian, jew, shiite...> whatever label they give to people who believe in that particular line of thinking.

I still say that agnostics are atheists without balls. Weak atheist my ass, that's a weak term for a strong ideal. Like being half pregnant.


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Reminds me of a sermon I heard long ago when I was a christian.
In short, this guy expresses his worries to his pastor about maybe being an agnostic, or atheist and it REALLY bothers him because he doesn't know what to do and what's right and are all these thoughts sinful etc. The priest responds "just the fact that you worry about it enough for god." Basically saying that he was a christian, just in a bit of a crisis but it's nothing to worry about and it's good to think about this stuff.

[leisuremuffin]

I find it intriguing that in a thread like this we will quote anything and everything except the Koran or Muhammed himself. 6 pages and counting. It's like a solar eclipse; we all gather round to look at it... but never directly! What gives???

It's my understanding (and I could be wrong because I have no direct exposure to Muslim teachings and NO ONE EVER addresses them directly, for whatever reason) that Muhammad flat out told his followers that they had the OK to kill non-believers.

If that's true, then it makes things a little simpler for me. Islam is not exactly "one less thing to worry about", but it is one less thing to worry about being, aspiring to, sympathizing with, etc. (Sympathizing with Muslims as individuals is another matter entirely. I can always find sympathy when I read the news, for both victims and perpetrators of violence, where social, economic, cultural... essentially circumstancial... variables take their toll.)

If I am properly informed, then we have another "solar eclipse" here: something I don't think the modern peaceful Muslim wants to look at directly. Muhammed was a more "radical" Muslim then they would prefer themselves or their peers to be.

Don't flame me. Correct me if I'm wrong. And if we seek "authority", why not simply quote Muhammed?

i already went that far(if its even considered to be a diss) calling out direct quotes from muhammad and his hadiths, but all youll ever get in return is instead of : "oh shit man, sorry i didnt even notice that" .....you get more like : " o yea what about the christian books or the jew books, dont they kill in those books?!?!"


have fun.

naaah, you misunderstand. What's really happening is some people are acting like it's *only* islam that has a violent and fucked up text. I'm just cheerfully pointing out that all 3 branches of abrahamic religions are twisted and bloody.



.lm.

[glu]

I find it intriguing that in a thread like this we will quote anything and everything except the Koran or Muhammed himself. 6 pages and counting. It's like a solar eclipse; we all gather round to look at it... but never directly! What gives???

It's my understanding (and I could be wrong because I have no direct exposure to Muslim teachings and NO ONE EVER addresses them directly, for whatever reason) that Muhammad flat out told his followers that they had the OK to kill non-believers.

If that's true, then it makes things a little simpler for me. Islam is not exactly "one less thing to worry about", but it is one less thing to worry about being, aspiring to, sympathizing with, etc. (Sympathizing with Muslims as individuals is another matter entirely. I can always find sympathy when I read the news, for both victims and perpetrators of violence, where social, economic, cultural... essentially circumstancial... variables take their toll.)

If I am properly informed, then we have another "solar eclipse" here: something I don't think the modern peaceful Muslim wants to look at directly. Muhammed was a more "radical" Muslim then they would prefer themselves or their peers to be.

Don't flame me. Correct me if I'm wrong. And if we seek "authority", why not simply quote Muhammed?

i already went that far(if its even considered to be a diss) calling out direct quotes from muhammad and his hadiths, but all youll ever get in return is instead of : "oh shit man, sorry i didnt even notice that" .....you get more like : " o yea what about the christian books or the jew books, dont they kill in those books?!?!"


have fun.

naaah, you misunderstand. What's really happening is some people are acting like it's *only* islam that has a violent and fucked up text. I'm just cheerfully pointing out that all 3 branches of abrahamic religions are twisted and bloody.



.lm.

And it don' stop with monotheism! Feudal Buddhism, the Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism, the Meso American religions, etc.etc.

[popslut]

Oh good - yet more cherry-picked, right-wing, anti-Islamic, controversial-viewpoint-for-hire, cut and paste drivellings on the internet about how America is right and men with beards are bad.

Not enough of that about already I don't reckon.

I love the triumphal way you people post this shit, and then highlight the bit that supports your particular set of irrational prejudices before stepping back and going "See?".

As if just one more slab of text copied from a right-wing think tank is going to make us all slap our heads and go "Gee M. Bréqs, you were right all along!".

Give me five minutes and I'll copy and paste you a slab of text that explains how Pol Pot was just a bit misunderstood or that Stalin didn't really hurt anyone.

The fact that you are even reading this shit, let alone disseminating it as fact suggests to me that you need to maybe broaden your horizons a bit.

This is not debate.

This is the debating equivalent of balancing pennies on the end of your cock. Public grandstanding to no constructive end.

M. Bréqs - you should loosen your shirt and tie, maybe change out of your uniform into a pair of comfortable pants, kick off your shoes, grow your hair a bit and join the rest of us up here in the real world.

You never know - it may even rub off on your music.

Look at the evidence;

In our team we've got Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, Led Zeppellin, The Doors, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, and Bob Marley.

In yours it's just you and Ted Nugent.


Right-wing-race-hate-driven breakbeat?

I so never want to hear that.

[djadonis206]

And it don' stop with monotheism! Feudal Buddhism, the Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism, the Meso American religions, etc.etc.

Perhaps I should go back to 3rd grade and read a book cause I have no idea what any of that means


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[smartass303]

Right-wing-race-hate-driven breakbeat?

I so never want to hear that.

+1

[b0unce]

m breqs mom ate vermin. and so, you see, m breqs is genetically programmed to be a cunt. a wiser man than myself once said "try not to fathom those who are genetically programmed to be cunts, for it is a procedure as futile as biting one's own ear, muthafuckah"

[glu]

And it don' stop with monotheism! Feudal Buddhism, the Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism, the Meso American religions, etc.etc.

Perhaps I should go back to 3rd grade and read a book cause I have no idea what any of that means


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Haha- Adonis- you went to private school then, no? Didn't they teach you about the Mayan kings who pierced their scrotums, to bleed on paper they would burn to offer holy smoke to the gods?

[popslut]

"try not to fathom those who are genetically programmed to be cunts, for it is a procedure as futile as biting one's own ear, muthafuckah"

I think I've got a new sig.

[Machinate]

Look at the evidence;

In our team we've got Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, Led Zeppellin, The Doors, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, and Bob Marley.

In yours it's just you and Ted Nugent.

oh!
BURN!

[mbenigni]

America is right and men with beards are bad.

Well, I've got a beard, and I've been apologizing for America my whole life. The religion I was raised with as a young person (my last name would probably give it away) has been reduced to a horrific joke. None of this means that Islam, or anything else, is beyond question or even reproach. That's just stupid knee-jerk thinking.

Besides which, I always thought of Hendrix et al as individualists.

[Tone Deft]

"try not to fathom those who are genetically programmed to be cunts, for it is a procedure as futile as biting one's own ear, muthafuckah"

I think I've got a new sig.

Except that b0unce is the one forum member most proud to be a dyed in the wool cunt, it's just when other people do it, it's not cool. It's b0unce's schtick to be a cunt, some people find it endearing, b0unce is proud of it, I don't get it personally, but that's his thing. He has nothing to complain about other people being offensive.

M. Breqs is a career military man, he's wired a bit differently than most of us, I've disagreed with a lot of what he's said but now knowing he's a military dude he makes a lot more sense now. Ultimately I believe it's a very noble cause to be in the military and go into service, it's something I'd NEVER do but I respect it. When it comes to where the wars are and why, that's REALLY fucked up these days but that's the reality he lives in, that's his career, his job. Suppose you were a mastering engineer and the ONLY music people wanted to hear was boy band trance and all the engineers were only working on boy band trance, does that make all engineers bad people?

[Contra]

I still say that agnostics are atheists without balls. Weak atheist my ass, that's a weak term for a strong ideal. Like being half pregnant.

or someone who wants to be a particular denomination without balls.

[Tone Deft]

or someone who wants to be a particular denomination without balls.

I don't think there are any because they'd have to kill themselves in a religious war.

[djadonis206]

Balls aka Stones