MIDI delay recording

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:08 am

Hi,

I've stated earlier that we take very seriously MIDI recording matters, and we are working on it. If it were a 'bug' to fix, and was quickly done, it would indeed be done already. It is not.

We will see some improvement, but we need some more time. There are lots of variables in the equation.

We will provide both technical improvements when possible and educational material where needed, as far as our resources allow. There are lots of different issues, like the Rewire protocol, the manufacturers drivers versus Operating system specifications, concepts of monitoring and so on to understand.

I'm happy to answer individual issues if I can, let me know.

Thanks for your patience,
kind regards,
Amaury

popslut · Post by **popslut** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:51 pm

Thanks Amaury - I will bump this thread occasionally but only to stop it getting lost in the mists of time.

docjah · Post by **docjah** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:52 pm

Hi,

To me the biggest issue is that recoding Midi with Monitor on doesn't work right.

Using SoftSynths , it's a killer.
Dave

dpel · Post by **dpel** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:58 pm

Hi All,
For the record:

I am experiencing this issue as well.

Thought I was going crazy until I saw this post.

MacPro/3GB RAM/Rosetta 800/BigBen/ V 6.05

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:07 am

dpel wrote:Hi All,
For the record:

I am experiencing this issue as well.

Thought I was going crazy until I saw this post.

MacPro/3GB RAM/Rosetta 800/BigBen/ V 6.05

Hi,

It is usefull to tell which issue you experience, as people have been talking about various things in that thread. Is is the 'monitoring ON' behaviour?

Regards,
Amaury

elevation1972 · Post by **elevation1972** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:10 am

Hit a midi pad/key with monitor on/auto in record there is a delay. Very Frustrating. I know this can be fixed as it was in Live 5. There should be no "play ahead" excuse, that totally is illogical & not a factor in programs such as Reason or Logic. Love Live, but this delay is not good. Please fix this if possible by the new update.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:54 pm

I wasn't going to reply, because it seems like it has been covered very thoroughly, but I just tried something and found something interesting.

>>>>Set up two MIDI tracks, one set to auto, one to off (this is the standard paradigm now).

>>>>Arm both to record. No Quantization.

>>>>Record some MIDI notes, and they are not the same as has been reported.

>>>>Then, I tried setting the track with monitoring OFF to receive MIDI from the track with monitoring set to Auto, using the dropdown menu on the monitoring OFF MIDI track.
(This resulted in a clip where the MIDI notes were in the same place on both tracks)

>>>>Then, I did what I thought should be comparable, set the MIDI out from the track with monitoring set to Auto to the MIDI track with monitoring OFF.
(This resulted in the MIDI notes being early on the MIDI track with monitoring set to OFF).

I thought the last was a little strange, at first, however it makes sense when you think that LIVE is sending the MIDI information early due to MIDI latency? But this is a little strange, since this is all internal routing.

Oh whatever, I hope that they are able to figure this out soon, and get us either an answer, or a fix.

Best,
AB

iain.morland · Post by **iain.morland** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:35 pm

elevation1972: I think it was said earlier in this thread that the issue you're describing is the same in Live 5.2.2 and all versions of Live 6. I.e. nothing was 'unfixed'.

anti-banausic: if I understand correctly, what you're describing is what I took screenshots of here.

dpel · Post by **dpel** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:25 pm

Amaury wrote:
dpel wrote:Hi All,
For the record:

I am experiencing this issue as well.

Thought I was going crazy until I saw this post.

MacPro/3GB RAM/Rosetta 800/BigBen/ V 6.05
Hi,

It is usefull to tell which issue you experience, as people have been talking about various things in that thread. Is is the 'monitoring ON' behaviour?

Regards,
Amaury

Yes it is the monitoring "ON" issue.

(delay compensation off, no quantize)

iain.morland · Post by **iain.morland** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:17 pm

Amaury, in dpel's screenshot, please could you tell us straightforwardly:

Which track has recorded the MIDI as played and which as heard?

Which track should be kept - in other words, which is right?

Many thanks,
iain

gach · Post by **gach** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:44 pm

HI
I'm using a MD Elektron as a master, ableton as slave, motu ultralite as a midi/audio interfacea nd a MAcbookpro.
If I record for example five minutes of a simple kick drum, then when I see the result I notice that the audio/midi latency is not constant, If I check what I recorded with the metronome (and with my eyes) the result is simply catastrofic.
I have tried the most imaginary configurations to try to resolve this and nothing happen.
I cannot believe that we are at 2007 and we cannot simply record a 5 minutes of a kick drum with a constant BPM

I would like to receive an answer from Ableton soon.

Best Regards

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:47 am

iain.morland wrote:Amaury, in dpel's screenshot, please could you tell us straightforwardly:

Which track has recorded the MIDI as played and which as heard?

Which track should be kept - in other words, which is right?
Many thanks,
iain

Hi,

I'm not technically skilled enough to tell you what exactly is happening under the hood, but sure enough, if you record without monitoring the signal, the notes should be written as you played them.

Again, let the right people work on it (and again there is no easy fix, we would not retain it otherwise), and propose suitable explanation and behaviour.

Regards,
Amaury

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:49 am

gach wrote:HI
I'm using a MD Elektron as a master, ableton as slave, motu ultralite as a midi/audio interfacea nd a MAcbookpro.
If I record for example five minutes of a simple kick drum, then when I see the result I notice that the audio/midi latency is not constant, If I check what I recorded with the metronome (and with my eyes) the result is simply catastrofic.
I have tried the most imaginary configurations to try to resolve this and nothing happen.
I cannot believe that we are at 2007 and we cannot simply record a 5 minutes of a kick drum with a constant BPM

I would like to receive an answer from Ableton soon.

Best Regards

Hi,

Your problem is different: we are talking of recording MIDI here, and your problem is a MIDI synchronization problem.

I'm quite sure that you can record 5 minutes of the kick, without synchronization right?

There are many paramters involved when dealing MIDI sync, including the used external machine and MIDI interface, the computer system etc.. That is also something we are investigating deeply.

Kind regards,
Amaury

gach · Post by **gach** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:57 pm

Hi Amaury. Ithank you for your reply.
I'm speaking about MIDI recording ( I have the same problems that the other guys, I record midi notes of that kick drum and I noticed oscilations with the recorded midi notes on that 5 or wathever recording minutes).
I made some tests, like alternate slave and master, recording just audio without midi sync..and so on...and always I have the same result. a Midino tes or audio waves witha significant oscilation

Best

Gach

gach · Post by **gach** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:03 pm

We have tested this with two more friends using:

Elektron Machine Drum
Acces Virus
Vermona Perfourmer
Vermona MKII
Korg Electribe

Of course using just one per time to avoid midi chains..using Motu Ultralite, Motu Traveler, Macbookpro and macbookG4

Best

Gach

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