THE REAPER IS COMING FOR YOU ABLETON!

deva · Post by **deva** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:59 pm

Angstrom wrote:I wish the guy well, but I have to agree that it lacks any killer feature which might make anyone swap over. I moved to Live because after trying the session view it reminded me of my old 'pattern sequencer' days, so I had to get it. It's a big commitment changing 'sequencers' (I just realised how dated that term is now).

I'm not sure what might drag someone from (say) Sonar to Reaper, would they sacrifice all their virtual instruments, I doubt it.

I would like it to do well though to keep the market fresh, and I would like it to compete directly with Ableton actually, because then I would reap the rewards of any frenzied creative authoring competition !

yeah...

What I like about Reaper, no dongle or C/R stuff. Fully functional demo, trust based licensing that does not make honest users suffer.

It is also a 2-3MB download, excellent cpu use, you can use a second computer to offload vst rendering and the gui is very robust. Just for fun I made over 1000 tracks with audio (obviously could not play it) and you could still navigate a snappy gui. With even 50 tracks, Live starts to slow down. $40 for non commercial work is also a great price, and the feature update speed is mind-boggling

Reaper also recently added a nice lanes function that looks excellent for comping multiple takes.

Audio editing is very fast. Once the OSX version is ready, I'll be using Reaper for editing interviews for radio. A task for which Live is not ideal. (for me)

deva · Post by **deva** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:01 pm

Angstrom wrote:
If I have a television which cost me £400 and I see another similar which costs £100 I would not buy it and save 300 , I would have spent 500 in total, for no functional benefit.

I'd sell the old TV for 300, buy the new one for 100 and have an extra 200 in my pocket!

deva · Post by **deva** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:03 pm

Angstrom wrote:In Soviet Russia the TV watches you!

sorry, wrong forum.

he he he... you are out of date... that is in the US now

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:39 pm

I was going to give you guys a headsup on Reaper, seems some troll beat me to it!

I'd just like to add that Live Rewired to Reaper is a killer application. There's a lot of pro audio features under the hood that really complete Live, it syncs rock-solid and in fact navigation in the arrangement view is much better in Reaper. I use Live for the loops, midi and effects, and Reaper for audio and VSTi's. You CAN slice in it (tab to transient plus split)

It has a bit in common with Live like the similar routing scheme, and smoothseek which is basically the same as Live eg changes smoothly once the bar is finished. The keyboard and macro customization is awesome, I can double-click items and regions and have them loop seamlessly on the fly, or do the same thing with keystrokes. Btw the look is fully customizable

I wouldn't see Reaper as a competitor to Live, more as a completer...it's very much aimed at audio. That said, it could work as a safety net for live performance...if Live ever crashes, Reaper almost never does, plus it only takes about 2 seconds to restart. And remixing is great, you can record to Live Output continuously while starting and stopping songs, or record your set while you perform.

I'll do a more coherent post later, or maybe a video...Just wanted to make up for the initial fanboy rant! Cheers

mauve · Post by **mauve** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:40 pm

reaper is a shitty name though

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:20 pm

pulsoc wrote:don't we have enough friggin DAWs already?

well exactly - seems a bit like re-inventing the wheel

the reason Live was different was the session view

the LAST thing we need is another arranger

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:30 pm

sqook wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
sqook wrote: Right, except the difference is that your television doesn't ask you for an extra 150$ each year for "upgrades"... after time, it adds up.
No. they take away all the channels you watch.
Then charge you for "digital tv".

Its not fair!!!
Belgium loses free CNN and discovery channel and Germany has its own comedy central and porn on every channel.

Damn tellie
All the Germans I know have the same ~15 crap channels, which they are supposed to pay like 20EUR a year for... but whenever the collection guys come around, everybody lies and says they have no TV... heh.

crikey - 20E a year fro 15 channels? in the UK it's £110 and goes up a tenner ever year and that's only for the BBC! (granted, I would never forsake the almighty BBC and I think for the programming and talent they have outed it's worth it, but still...)

you HAVE to pay that too or you get a £1000 fine

they got rid of TV licence in Australia in the 70s and now the ABC costs 8c a day out of tax money, but it's nowhere near the level of the BBC

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:34 pm

anyway, back from that tangent - I totally see the benefits of small developer being close to the users and thus they often frequently add features quickly on request, but I really dont see the point in adding yet another sequencer

considering how many well known producers have always answered "logic" whenever you ask what they use, and it's only more recently Live has started to replace that, there cant be enough musicians in the world to warrant the millions of sequencers around now

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:18 am

forge wrote:anyway, back from that tangent - I totally see the benefits of small developer being close to the users and thus they often frequently add features quickly on request, but I really dont see the point in adding yet another sequencer

considering how many well known producers have always answered "logic" whenever you ask what they use, and it's only more recently Live has started to replace that, there cant be enough musicians in the world to warrant the millions of sequencers around now

It's not really aimed at the Logic/midi market...more at being an intelligent replacement for Pro Tools ie audio is the main focus. Pro Tools is by far the most common Pro studio daw, but I much prefer the editing and mixing in Reaper, it's more along the lines of a lean mean Vegas-type app.

The midi is usable but I wouldn't say it's up with Logic etc yet

The mac version should catch up in a few months. It just depends on your focus what daw you need I think...Reaper was designed because some people weren't happy with current daw design, and wanted a faster unbloated option. YMMV

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:45 am

I just tried the demo and I'm in love. It's really nicely laid out, and has a progressive workflow (for a linear app). There are a few quirks, but it doesn't seem hard if you've ever used a linear app like Sonar or Cubase. The midi is a bit tricky, and like others have said, there's more to add. I'll add more as I learn more about it, but for now, here are the things I love:

1. The skins are great. It's highly skinnable, and a different skin can entirely change icons, etc. And the text and layout are clean and crisp.
2. CPU usage is ridiculously low - the demo project that came with it had 4 tracks, all mp3...Reaper played it natively (no decompressing) and my CPU registered between 0 and 1%.
3. The zooming is done really well. Scroll to zoom in and out; CTRL+Scroll to vertical zoom; select a track, and scroll wheel will scroll tracks vertically. I don't understand why the Abes haven't added this yet...it's SUCH a productivity issue...

I'll post more as I learn...so far so good

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:10 am

The Cpu usage and audio engine stability are probably the best around at the moment, it's capable of huge track counts without crashing...check this thread out:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=170804

Insane!

pipelineaudio · Post by **pipelineaudio** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:23 am

glad to see people realize that this isnt an either/or type of situation. Between rearoute and rewire, these apps should have no trouble talking to each other. In fact you could use reaper with ReaMote to add a few PC's of CPU to your live mix

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:40 am

as far as "needing" another DAW, the answer is YES, just not the same ol' regurgitated thing (like that styn-borg thingy commin' out)

I'd love to try reaper.....but I'm taped out buying for a while AND I mostly work on mac.......so bummer to me.

Hey, I'm a host whore.......what can I say?

Fuzzhead · Post by **Fuzzhead** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:55 am

It's actually uncrippled software, meaning when your one month trial is over you get a 5 second nag screen IF you reboot the PC.

So it's the honour system, no dongles or crippling, and $40 for the non-commercial licence ($200 Commercial). Seems to work though, there's a lot of paid up users there. I couldn't buy it until about 2 months in, felt a bit guilty but it still worked fine.

If you try it now, you should be an expert by the time the Mac version catches up in a few months.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:39 am

forge wrote:anyway, back from that tangent - I totally see the benefits of small developer being close to the users and thus they often frequently add features quickly on request, but I really dont see the point in adding yet another sequencer

considering how many well known producers have always answered "logic" whenever you ask what they use, and it's only more recently Live has started to replace that, there cant be enough musicians in the world to warrant the millions of sequencers around now

Funny... I still only hear "Logic" and "Pro Tools" and "isn't that a DJ Program". I guess you can Lead a Horse to water but...