Are there any tricks to getting that shimmering doubled tracking sound? Alla R&B tracks (nelly furtado, Beyonce) and pop tracks e.g. GG Dolls, avri lavigne, Jamiroquai
I have some success with effects for the UAD1 card, waves diamond bundle and antares duo.
Questions:
Should I double, or triple track?
Should I delay the doubled track – by how much?
How should I eq?
Id I use parallel compression do I take the sub of the parallel and then feed this into a doubler or vice versa? At which point so I sned to reverbs and delays (pre doubling, delays etc).
I know there’s no hard and fast rules, just wondered what tricks people had…
Vocal doubling
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Although SJ has outlined a good process that has better results, here's a simpler process for when you need it quick and dirty.
1. Record a really good take.
2. Duplicate it twice.
3. Pan the two duplicated to 8 o'clock and 4 o'clock, respectively.
4. Nudge one of the duplicated tracks by 10-15ms, nudge the other by 20-25ms.
5. Group the duplicated tracks into a sub-track and compress hard.
6. Mix the grouped and compressed track with the original take through some natural reverb.
1. Record a really good take.
2. Duplicate it twice.
3. Pan the two duplicated to 8 o'clock and 4 o'clock, respectively.
4. Nudge one of the duplicated tracks by 10-15ms, nudge the other by 20-25ms.
5. Group the duplicated tracks into a sub-track and compress hard.
6. Mix the grouped and compressed track with the original take through some natural reverb.
ooh thats a great tip.nebulae wrote:Although SJ has outlined a good process that has better results, here's a simpler process for when you need it quick and dirty.
1. Record a really good take.
2. Duplicate it twice.
3. Pan the two duplicated to 8 o'clock and 4 o'clock, respectively.
4. Nudge one of the duplicated tracks by 10-15ms, nudge the other by 20-25ms.
5. Group the duplicated tracks into a sub-track and compress hard.
6. Mix the grouped and compressed track with the original take through some natural reverb.
on top of nebulae's method you could also add some very slight pitch shifting to the duplicates. like, just a few cents up for one and a few cents down for the other. that should add some extra sheen to the doubling effect methinks
I wonder how useful the Warp function could be, esp. for remixers who dont have access to a double or triple-take and want "that sound".
I should think that a few nudges of warp markers could mimic the timing differences that give the double-vocal take its natural chorus effect....
but how natural would that be? Surely moreso than an LFO?
One thing about pitch shifting: I think vocalists often go off pitch right at the start of notes, and then maybe as notes trail off, but tend to be more on-pitch through the majority/middle of notes/words... which is why a LFO/Chorus hardware effect doesn't sound the same as the double-take chorus effect.
I should think that a few nudges of warp markers could mimic the timing differences that give the double-vocal take its natural chorus effect....
but how natural would that be? Surely moreso than an LFO?
One thing about pitch shifting: I think vocalists often go off pitch right at the start of notes, and then maybe as notes trail off, but tend to be more on-pitch through the majority/middle of notes/words... which is why a LFO/Chorus hardware effect doesn't sound the same as the double-take chorus effect.
Yeah, artifacts = bad.
But timing errors = good.
Especially non-repeating timing differences (as opposed to the static timing error of nudging one track a few msec).
And hopefully if you used the tones Warp method, combined with only small warp marker changes, the results would be prettty invisible ...
_especially_ on doubled tracks which are quieter than the main (unWarped) vocal track?
I've never tried this, and now I am curious if it'd work.
PS, you can use Delay plugins in the session view to "nudge" a track. Back in the olden days, where giant multitrack tapedecks roamed the earth, thats how we cavemen did it.
But timing errors = good.
Especially non-repeating timing differences (as opposed to the static timing error of nudging one track a few msec).
And hopefully if you used the tones Warp method, combined with only small warp marker changes, the results would be prettty invisible ...
_especially_ on doubled tracks which are quieter than the main (unWarped) vocal track?
I've never tried this, and now I am curious if it'd work.
PS, you can use Delay plugins in the session view to "nudge" a track. Back in the olden days, where giant multitrack tapedecks roamed the earth, thats how we cavemen did it.
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