SHITE!!! - Virginia Tech 33 Dead (Vs 18,000 Dead)?

[OvertoneZero]

Also, question for you b0unce - what should the U.S. do with Iraq NOW, at this point, with the situation as it stands today?

And another - say I wanted to move out of the U.S. and become a citizen of another country - where should I go and how hard is it to get citizenship? Western Europe, Australia would probably be my preferred options.

[b0unce]

Also, question for you b0unce - what should the U.S. do with Iraq NOW, at this point, with the situation as it stands today?

divide & conquer - you've achieved your goals in Iraq already.
and your asshole administration has served its full term, you can employ a fuzzy democrat one to take its place, and rejoice for doing your bit

my advice to you is repatriate. whats your heritage ? Take a tourist visa to where-ever and live & work there, legal or illegal, generally speaking you need to 'naturalize' - i.e. live there for a few years, five maybe - until you can receive a full citizenship.
you can apply as a political refugee if you want, citing the last 60 years of American terrorism as your reason for leaving.

an american who abandons his or her passport and rejects their citizenship for political reasons will be welcome with open arms. Its american tourists who get spat on, not the conscientious objectors.

[djadonis206]

Every country needs a good massacre every once in a while

stupid thing to say bro.

I admit not the nicest thing to say -


Not so soon after such a tragedy


Dennis Miller coined the 48 hour rule phrase

Like not even 12 hours after the shooting Rosie O'Donnell was calling for gun control and blaming George Bush

You can't really hate on her because maybe that's her way of getting through this - the knee jerk reactions to something so devastating can range from say blaming George Bush to well, er flaming each other people on a message board (I wouldn't put it past a couple board members to pull off a Cho type shooting sooner or later with as much anger and hate as they've demonstrated on this thread - I bet in real life they're as quiet as a mouse (scary))


you have to admit it was pretty tragic and sudden and some people just deal with things the way they deal with them







on a side note - I have a feeling Imus is kicking himself - saying stuff like "Damn, why couldn't this kid have popped his lid a week earlier? I'd still have a job!"

[b0unce]

Dennis Miller coined the 48 hour rule phrase

its always been patently obvious to me that you attempt to emulate you're irreverent TV idols. what you seem to be missing tho is they add WIT to the equation, not gormless stupidity. work on the wit, old bean.

[b0unce]

(I wouldn't put it past a couple board members to pull off a Cho type shooting sooner or later with as much anger and hate as they've demonstrated on this thread - I bet in real life they're as quiet as a mouse (scary))

and there, ladies and gentlemen, is your american media in full effect.
it would come across as insulting if it wasnt written by such a stooge.
people who care about politics are equal to scitzos with glocks ?...

I'm active, I volunteer six hours a week for local charities in a bid to balance out my interest in foreign politics. As well as just doing it because its a good thing to do. I could go on and on about politics on this board, but I learned long ago its pointless.

[Kodama]

BTW - Which country do you reside in Bounce?

[b0unce]

irish, living in ireland for education (the plan is to leave afterwards). lived in a couple of european places too.

[Kodama]

But - the UK government is a stooge of the USA, no?

[b0unce]

...sure...get to your point

(I advise you not to pigeon hole ireland into the UK)

[Kodama]

That was all, I'm sure it's even more infuriating for you guys having to put up with leadership that's even more against the public will.

[b0unce]

That was all, I'm sure it's even more infuriating for you guys having to put up with leadership that's even more against the public will.

big time

anyways, I'm outta here. I've gone down this political avenue again, to no avail, and its making retards like adonis look good

[ethios4]

the problem with Columbine, 9/11, and the recent event is that very seldom do we question WHY. Some of you write this guy off as psycho and think nothing more. You really think this is just some isolated event?
by the way, this kid is getting exactly what he wanted.

That's what really gets me about all of this....all the media attention is exactly what he wanted, and he's getting it to the extreme. To me, the bottom line is that, given the parameters of American society, this sort of thing is statistically inevitable. So, unless we want to have a real dialog about the real problems in this country (and in the world), anything else is sensationalist reporting and political opportunism, IMO.

On the topic of gun control (which I have no firm opinion on), I thought Bill O'Reilly had some interesting points (first time I've EVER though that before!). First, he mentioned that the mayor of Nagasaki was shot and killed a day later, in a place with some of the strictest gun control laws on the planet...virtually no media attention. Second, he claims guns are big in the US because its a tradition that goes back to the Revolution when access to guns allowed for US freedom from GB. He claims European countries outlawed guns there because they didn't want the same thing to happen to their power structure. I don't know enough detail about European history to know if thats even partially true or not. Thoughts?

[pilcrow]

First, and foremost, this is an international forum kids. Yes thats right, your domestic problems are not OUR domestic problems. Your foreign policies ARE our domestic problems, however. Take your fucking whinging to the local forum, someone should setup a candle light vigil thread for you. Or, hammer it out here if you like, but go fuck yourself if you think we should be as shocked as you, I will righteously comment on your perverse values here.

Never answered this... because I do not see myself or the 33 dead as "american", or make any distinction at all about the location of the school etc.
Sad fact is people starve to death and get killed in war every day. I do see the irony of 33 lives being given more attention than dead in Iraq, but the sad fact is we expect people to die in war.

its not ironic, its perverse. You dont make a distinction about the school ? Good for you. I do. I see what a song and dance you're media has made out of it -perverse isnt strong enough a word. I seen what a song and dance your media made out of that imus/nappy headed hoe horse shit....because it spills over to this forum. And after that, its easy for me to go check out your media to see what you fat bastards are fixating on while your tax dollar is raping and pillaging abroad.

I was more upset about the Russian school kids who died in that Beslan school hostage crisis than all the people who died during the Chechnyin war simply because it was tragic that they were no involved in the conflict, and were forced into it.
This is similar to what has happened to Iraq to a degree, but it's just not as shocking when soldiers and insurgents kill people in the wake of their fighting, it's shocking when people target them on purpose with intent to kill them in particular.

...its shocking when people target them on purpose with intent to kill them in particular ?....LOL...what the fuck are you talking about. I can assure you, your soldiers and thugs for hire arent killing people by accident. And you're funding it. But no, thats not ironic...and its expected....you want the 'tragic' story line, with the macabre piano piece in the background...with highschool pictures of those who died and brief eulogy's summing up what they could have been....makes me fucking wretch.

Sorry your media is using it as camouflage to cover up your own stories

haha - the cherry on top. MY media is NOT using it as camouflage you presumptuous dog, this cliched storyline is getting as much airtime as it deserves. Approx a 2 minute segment on the news, a two page spread on the papers. I refer to the comment I opened this post with, this is an international forum....not an american one. I repeat - This horseshit story has spilled over from your media into the forum, just like that inane imus/nappy headed hoe crap, Its easy for me to go and check what your media is making a song and dance about this time around, via the powers of the interweb - or check out a buddies satellite TV and tune into your media circus. And its totally within context for me to talk about the atrocities commited DAILY by and for your tax dollar. You still cant fathom that, maybe you never will.

, but seriously if 33 students were killed in Ireland I certainly wouldn't be talking about your countries foreign policy or war efforts, it's just not the same thing at all.

right...so if my media virtually ignored the fact my country is killing hundreds of thousands in the pursuit of political dominanation, soldiers murdering in cold blood, families torn apart, birth defects due to the munitions I pay for, generations of suffering and oppression, economic blackmail...etc etc. You'd actually think its 'more upsetting' if a scitzophrenic shot up his classmates in dublin ?.... OK then. good for you, I guess ? thats not my value system, and never will be.

I don't think every american is responsible for the war in Iraq, just like I'm sure you're not responsible for IRA attacks against civilians because you're Irish. It's ethnocentric laziness IMO.

the current war in iraq is just a chapter in the ongoing book of american foreign policy. its symptomatic of what you're all about, collectively as a nation. Half of you are all for it, the other half is impotent through a mix of self-delusion, self-pity, irresponsibility, cowardice...fear perhaps ? You can always leave, and at least you wont contribute towards financing the monster. Thats not been forbidden. Get out of that system. You cant live in it and expect to be viewed as innocent, not for all this time. Someday will you hang your head in shame like the germans did post-hitler ? You need to take responsibility before someone makes you responsible. Or get. the. fuck. out.

or, and this is the best bit, take your whinging domestic issues to the local forum if you cant stand the criticism you receive here, which you feel is out of context.

Whinging? Please speak English.


I know, I know.. just kidding.

[OvertoneZero]

divide & conquer - you've achieved your goals in Iraq already.
and your asshole administration has served its full term, you can employ a fuzzy democrat one to take its place, and rejoice for doing your bit

Well, for the record, in contrast to American public opinion, I was against the Invasion in the beginning, and I'm against the pullout now. I think that the USA made a huge mess there and it's our responsibility to clean it up, not run away. Iraq needs a functional government in place before a pullout, or else the country will become a free-for-all warzone without any semblance of order. We basically wrecked the country, it's a terrible situation. This was never 'my' goal - I was aganst the invasion from the getgo.

Furthermore, I'm not by any means trying to come across as self-congratulatory for playing my extremely small part in the American political process. Yes, I always vote, but no, I don't volunteer 6 days a week for charities. I bust my ass at an office job and dedicate myself to musicianship in my free time in the hope that I can one day create inspiring music that will help people get in touch with their humanity. If that's not good enough for you, oh well.

If you want to judge me and lump me into some category because I live in Massachusetts and not the UK, be my guest, but don't expect me to give a fuck about your opinion when your proclamations are based on ignorant generalizations. I was born in the USA, I've voted against GW Bush in every election, and I've encouraged everyone with whom I've discussed politics to do the same. I've lived in the USA for 28 years and I think I have a much better understanding of what it's like here than you do.

There are many ways to effect social change and while you hold a viewpoint which you probably consider 'uncompromising and informed' you should be aware that to other people such as myself you sound somewhat narrow.

Its american tourists who get spat on, not the conscientious objectors.

Again, stereotyping all Americans as complacent is simply foolish and inaccurate. But you seem to have made up your mind already regarding what qualifies someone as part of the problem vs. part of the part of the solution.

Kind of reminds me of when G.W. said 'You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.'

[b0unce]

time will tell, overtone