Your opinons on guitar rig??

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:57 pm

eyeknow wrote:And that makes 628,456 to 1

I love me some GR2, and so do my clients

628,456?
I could have sworn it was just a handful of GR2 fanboys on the Ableton forum.

Seriously tho....... Most guitarists I know are very slow to accept any of these programs and the only place I see them so staunchly defended is on sites that are directed at computer and electronic musicians. It's becuase the tone and dynamics are just not there yet

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:03 pm

eyeknow wrote: .who are you anyways.......

kramer

eyeknow wrote: btw, didn't you get blacklisted for your tirade in a comedy club recently? Is that why you are so angry?

That was the fake kramer. I am the real one. I'm not angry at all. I just think software-guitar-amp emulations suck really bad compared to the real thing. How does that make me angry?

eyeknow wrote: AND btw, how do you do your guitar parts? Hmmmmmmmm? (seriously, tell us how)

What do you mean "guitar parts"? Like the physical pieces of a guitar or the do you mean how to play it?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:31 pm

kramer wrote:
eyeknow wrote:And that makes 628,456 to 1

I love me some GR2, and so do my clients
628,456?
I could have sworn it was just a handful of GR2 fanboys on the Ableton forum.

Seriously tho....... Most guitarists I know are very slow to accept any of these programs and the only place I see them so staunchly defended is on sites that are directed at computer and electronic musicians. It's becuase the tone and dynamics are just not there yet

628,456 or 628,455, who cares, it's the 1 that's interesting. What's your amp Kramer?

Most guitarists drag their knuckles on the ground and can't breathe through their mouths let alone use a computer for music.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:09 pm

i love the resort to "most guitarists i know." very authoritative (not that it would be any more authoritative to name drop big time producers who use amp emulators -- people swore by the sansamp in the early 90s, it sounds lousy). the other thing you're ignoring -- you record with amp, you're stuck with that tone. you record clean, then treat, you can decide later whether you need marshall or tweed or whatever. that alone is worth some minor drop in sound quality. and obviously someone who's just recording (e.g.) a jazz guitar trio should still use an amp, because they don't need any flexibility and tone is paramount. not so for most music, or even most "rock."

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:14 pm

kramer, your dub podcasts are flatout awesome, love them, many thanks for putthing them together (seriously). what's the record player with a spdif out?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:43 pm

dj superflat wrote:kramer, your dub podcasts are flatout awesome, love them, many thanks for putthing them together (seriously). what's the record player with a spdif out?

Thanks for pointing that out Superflat. I'm really digging this podcast Kramer, IRIE!!!!

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:48 pm

dj superflat wrote:kramer, your dub podcasts are flatout awesome, love them, many thanks for putthing them together (seriously). what's the record player with a spdif out?

Thanks! I don't know anything about the phonograph. It's some kind of custom job hybrid made out of Technics and Stanton parts....maybe it's just a Technics that they put the SPDIF section from a Stanton STR8-150 or something like that. I'm allowed to use it in exchange for doing record transfer work. It allows me to just leave the recordings raw and unprocessd while still sounding good. They really do sound almost like listening to the record when I listen to the wav versions. A lot of people don't realize this...but at least 80% of vintage dub you buy on CD is just record transfers anyway. The master tapes were lost and/or reused on most of that stuff. So...sometimes if you buy a new reissue of a dub record what you're getting is a record made from a digital recording of a record. You gotta be really careful buying dub.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:52 pm

every once in a while you hear a CD with vinyl pops on it. Been listening to the podcast, thank you for picking a great selection. It's messed up how people use the term DUB these days.

Does anyone know of a site that lists guitars different bands use? I'm trying to help a friend pick his first electric, he's a huge Jesus and Mary Chain fan and I don't remember which Gibson I've seen them use.

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:52 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
dj superflat wrote:kramer, your dub podcasts are flatout awesome, love them, many thanks for putthing them together (seriously). what's the record player with a spdif out?
Thanks for pointing that out Superflat. I'm really digging this podcast Kramer, IRIE!!!!

Gracias. I'll be having some more stuff up shortly.

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:56 pm

Tone Deft wrote:Jesus and Mary Chain fan

I can't imagine it matters what guitar you use for a Jesus and Mary Chain sound. Just turn the bass all the way down and your highs and gain all the way up... Something with very high output? If it's a Gibson then it the important thing is probably that it have the 500t pickup. I think the Gibson SG-1 (or SG-X?) is the cheapest guitar with that pickup. You can get them on ebay cheap.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:02 pm

kramer wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:Jesus and Mary Chain fan
I can't imagine it matters what guitar you use for a Jesus and Mary Chain sound. Just turn the bass all the way down and your highs and gain all the way up... Something with very high output? If it's a Gibson then it the important thing is probably that it have the 500t pickup. I think the Gibson SG-1 (or SG-X?) is the cheapest guitar with that pickup. You can get them on ebay cheap.

Good advice!! It's bugging me like a trivia question. Part of my friend's thang for the guitar is the looks, he's kind of obsessed with JAMC and a n00b guitar player, but his heart is in the right place.

Thanks!

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:43 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
kramer wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:Jesus and Mary Chain fan
I can't imagine it matters what guitar you use for a Jesus and Mary Chain sound. Just turn the bass all the way down and your highs and gain all the way up... Something with very high output? If it's a Gibson then it the important thing is probably that it have the 500t pickup. I think the Gibson SG-1 (or SG-X?) is the cheapest guitar with that pickup. You can get them on ebay cheap.
Good advice!! It's bugging me like a trivia question. Part of my friend's thang for the guitar is the looks, he's kind of obsessed with JAMC and a n00b guitar player, but his heart is in the right place.

Thanks!

No problem. That 500t is the standard for so many punk, metal, and industrial sounds. I usually assume any older type high-gain music is often the Gibson 500t.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:06 pm

kramer wrote:No problem. That 500t is the standard for so many punk, metal, and industrial sounds. I usually assume any older type high-gain music is often the Gibson 500t.

Yeah, there's a wicked Pod XT setting I just downloaded, sounds exactly like the Barbed Wire Kisses album.

kramer · Post by **kramer** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:42 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
kramer wrote:No problem. That 500t is the standard for so many punk, metal, and industrial sounds. I usually assume any older type high-gain music is often the Gibson 500t.
Yeah, there's a wicked Pod XT setting I just downloaded, sounds exactly like the Barbed Wire Kisses album.

I hope the wink means you're kidding because those are the type of sounds that really do sound crappy from a pod.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:24 am

kramer wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:
kramer wrote:No problem. That 500t is the standard for so many punk, metal, and industrial sounds. I usually assume any older type high-gain music is often the Gibson 500t.
Yeah, there's a wicked Pod XT setting I just downloaded, sounds exactly like the Barbed Wire Kisses album.

I hope the wink means you're kidding because those are the type of sounds that really do sound crappy from a pod.

I run it over USB so it sounds warmer and has a more vintage sound. Firewire is better for 80s metal and reggae, USB is best for 70s punk, grunge and shoegazer, for 70s album rock and 80s new wave I convert to ADAT.